Really only the Tabby successor states, Black League, and Cult of Cain are incompatible with the others, everyone else has a real shot to mesh with others.
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My Personal Headcanon of The New Order in 1973:
North America
United States
Richard Nixon - 1961-1964 (R-D)
John Kennedy - 1964-1964 (R-D)
John McCormack - 1964-1965 (R-D)
Robert Kennedy - 1965-1973 (NPP)
Henry Jackson - 1973-Present (NPP)
Europe
Germany
Adolf Hitler - 1933-1963 (NSDAP)
Martin Bormann - 1963-Present (NSDAP)
Great Britain
Alec Douglas-Home - 1958-1964 (RP)
George Jellicoe - 1964-Present (NDL)
Italy
Galeazzo Ciano - 1953-1963 (PNF)
Carlo Scorza - 1963-Present (PNF)
Russia (Tomsk)
Boris Pasternak - ????-1962 (Dec.)
Dmitry Likachov - 1962-Present (Dec.)*
Asia
Japan
Hiroya Ino - ????-1963 (IRAA)
Kiichi Aichi - 1963-1963 (IRAA)
Sokichi Takagi - 1963-Present (IRAA)
*Republic of Russia reunified in February 1972
North America
United States
Richard Nixon - 1961-1964 (R-D)
John Kennedy - 1964-1964 (R-D)
John McCormack - 1964-1965 (R-D)
Robert Kennedy - 1965-1973 (NPP)
Henry Jackson - 1973-Present (NPP)
Europe
Germany
Adolf Hitler - 1933-1963 (NSDAP)
Martin Bormann - 1963-Present (NSDAP)
Great Britain
Alec Douglas-Home - 1958-1964 (RP)
George Jellicoe - 1964-Present (NDL)
Italy
Galeazzo Ciano - 1953-1963 (PNF)
Carlo Scorza - 1963-Present (PNF)
Russia (Tomsk)
Boris Pasternak - ????-1962 (Dec.)
Dmitry Likachov - 1962-Present (Dec.)*
Asia
Japan
Hiroya Ino - ????-1963 (IRAA)
Kiichi Aichi - 1963-1963 (IRAA)
Sokichi Takagi - 1963-Present (IRAA)
*Republic of Russia reunified in February 1972
From my understanding it's less "Russia is dead" and more that the damage Taboritsky has caused to the Russian population and land has effectively left all the various regional statelets and governments too devastated to make any attempt at re-unifying within the timeframe of TNO
Well, I imagine it would be something like how someone in Morocco and someone in Iraq would both identify as Arab but would also emphasize how they're Moroccan or Iraqi as well. Also, I imagine the idea that regional identities are more important than some sort of identity as Russian to be something that would be stronger amongst the younger generation who grew up after Midnight, who would have grown up in a divided Russia and would only know of a united Russia from the stories about Taboritsky's utterly insane regime their parents, uncles, aunts, or grandparents told them.
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Viola
Banned
I don't think a comparison with Arab identity works here: Arabs never had through history (except for the original Caliphates back in the early middle age) a single stable state unifying them and individual Arab nations had existed independently for years promoting their own regional self-identity (also supported by large geographical distances, especially when it comes to the Maghreb).
Russia on the other hand has been unified since the grand duchy of Muscovy was a thing, and the statelets rising from a post-Midnight scenario not only would have fewer resources to properly promote local nationalism, but their governments usually don't even seem interested in promoting such a thing since most of them have claims or ambitions to rule the rest of Russia (even if they're barely able to survive as it is).
If the fractured state of post-Taboritsky's Russia stays the way it is for many decades one might see a weakening of the idea of a unified Russia, but I don't see regional identities being particularly sustainable either, and while one can surely expects extreme political apathy by the younger generations of Russia in this situation I don't think that will lead to any enthusiasm for the identity of new Russian statelets either, unless we're talking of states made up of minorities like Kazakhs or Nenets.
The way I see it, a functional Russian state might be able to form out of the chaos of the Taboritsky era, but it won't be able to retake Moscow.
Exactly. That's if Moskowien doesn't collapse under the weight of it's extremely lopsided demographics and barely being held up by a few popsicle sticks, while Bormann (I believe the canon leader of germany) wheezes to death and Germany collapses. I see it as being a separate state to whatever re-re-unifies Russia after Tabby. Probably someone sane/better because other than the Redeemed Black League, none of the tabby successors or weird cults will have the material or support to unify the (still) largest nation on earth.
The Trans-Ural Confederation is basically the Terran Federation from Starship Troopers (the book, not the movie), so I think they have a good chance of cleaning up Taboritsky's mess by focusing on quality over quantity.
DEPLOYMENT OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS IMMINENT (?)
REPORTS OF BOLSHEVIST (?) UPRISING IN RHINE, HAMBURG, BREMEN, AND KIEL
GÖRING AND MILITARISTS CRUMBLING EN MASSE
SS PREPARATIONS FOR GREAT [REDACTED] NEARING COMPLETION
SITUATION IN THE EAST INTENSIFIES
SPIEDEL YIELDS TO INTERVENTIONISTS
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* SCHWERT/ÉPÉE/GLADIO PROGRAM REACTIVATION IN GERMANY *
- RED ORCHESTRA AND CONDOR NETWORKS
* IMMEDIATE STANDBY IN OCCUPIED EUROPE *
- OPERATION VALLEY FORGE
* ESTABLISH ASSETS IN EAST *
- ARMEEVERBAND FREIES EUROPA: (???)
*** PREPARE FOR EVENTS ***
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There was a thread on Reddit the other day asking about people's 1972 headcanons so I'm just going to copy/paste my response to that here since I finally bothered to write it down:
Russia: The West Russian United Front (ultimately led by Bukharina) defeats all its opponents, and storms over the Urals to crush a faltering Black League. In the Far East, Sablin fights against the odds to realize a free Soviet world, but seems doomed to be ground under Novosibirsk's superior industry and manpower until the Russian Soviet Republic rolls in to save the day. Sablin is currently semiretired but seems likely to take Suslov's "sinecure" soon, as he's far more likely to give sincere advice to the Party. Bukharina's state now builds up its forces, ready and waiting to strike the fascists that surround it.
USA: Basically what you have really in terms of Harrington, but the OFN is a little less unified and the rapidly intensifying foreign policy sector are going to catch Harrington off guard near the end of his second term, but his social programs are going to be the third rail of American politics forever.
Non-Germany Europe: the Commonwealth of Britain serves as a bridge between the OFN and Socintern, which is currently a lot easier with the NPP-C in charge but the future may test its loyalties more. Italy has semidemocratized but the shadow of Fascism looms large over it. That it is in the OFN causes no amount of discomfort, but it is strategically important and brought over the Balkans as well. Iberia is just wholesome blessed democratized Iberia, in the OFN as well.
Japan and China: Japan has been liberalizing under Takagi, but the failure of Order 44 has thrown things into chaos, and a truly modernized China is ready to strike back against its master. But how much fascism has infected the hearts and minds of its leaders? What will China unchained look like after its century and a half of humiliation?
Germany: Speer won, but ultimately fell victim to the NatSoc coup in ~70 or so. The backsliding and degenerating conditions, both living and militarily, are beginning to be a concern even to the coup leaders, who are beginning to wonder if the Go4 were right. And all the while, people who had a taste of liberalization are angrier than ever about what they lost.
Middle East: The Levantine Confederation maintains an uneasy internal peace as the UAR breathes down its neck. The UAR not exactly being sure how it wants to align itself (factions pull it towards fascism, socialism, a more local authoritarian flavoring, the works) helps somewhat. The socialists win out in Iran (thanks to a lot of Soviet aid coming in over the Caspian sea (and eventually just over the border), providing a needed non-colonial member of the Socintern to Bukharina.
Africa: Pro-OFN ceasefire results in a nearly immediate Afrikaschild collapse. States like the Popular Republic of the Congo and the Socialist Republic of Tanzania are critical members of the Socintern, while South Africa somewhat reluctantly acts as the OFN's main influencer in the region. Also the Cameroon African State has land on Lake Congo because it seems like a neat nation and should be playing more of an influence in Africa.
May eventually make a worlda of my 1988 (25 years since the death of Hitler) canon one day, but who knows.
Russia: The West Russian United Front (ultimately led by Bukharina) defeats all its opponents, and storms over the Urals to crush a faltering Black League. In the Far East, Sablin fights against the odds to realize a free Soviet world, but seems doomed to be ground under Novosibirsk's superior industry and manpower until the Russian Soviet Republic rolls in to save the day. Sablin is currently semiretired but seems likely to take Suslov's "sinecure" soon, as he's far more likely to give sincere advice to the Party. Bukharina's state now builds up its forces, ready and waiting to strike the fascists that surround it.
USA: Basically what you have really in terms of Harrington, but the OFN is a little less unified and the rapidly intensifying foreign policy sector are going to catch Harrington off guard near the end of his second term, but his social programs are going to be the third rail of American politics forever.
Non-Germany Europe: the Commonwealth of Britain serves as a bridge between the OFN and Socintern, which is currently a lot easier with the NPP-C in charge but the future may test its loyalties more. Italy has semidemocratized but the shadow of Fascism looms large over it. That it is in the OFN causes no amount of discomfort, but it is strategically important and brought over the Balkans as well. Iberia is just wholesome blessed democratized Iberia, in the OFN as well.
Japan and China: Japan has been liberalizing under Takagi, but the failure of Order 44 has thrown things into chaos, and a truly modernized China is ready to strike back against its master. But how much fascism has infected the hearts and minds of its leaders? What will China unchained look like after its century and a half of humiliation?
Germany: Speer won, but ultimately fell victim to the NatSoc coup in ~70 or so. The backsliding and degenerating conditions, both living and militarily, are beginning to be a concern even to the coup leaders, who are beginning to wonder if the Go4 were right. And all the while, people who had a taste of liberalization are angrier than ever about what they lost.
Middle East: The Levantine Confederation maintains an uneasy internal peace as the UAR breathes down its neck. The UAR not exactly being sure how it wants to align itself (factions pull it towards fascism, socialism, a more local authoritarian flavoring, the works) helps somewhat. The socialists win out in Iran (thanks to a lot of Soviet aid coming in over the Caspian sea (and eventually just over the border), providing a needed non-colonial member of the Socintern to Bukharina.
Africa: Pro-OFN ceasefire results in a nearly immediate Afrikaschild collapse. States like the Popular Republic of the Congo and the Socialist Republic of Tanzania are critical members of the Socintern, while South Africa somewhat reluctantly acts as the OFN's main influencer in the region. Also the Cameroon African State has land on Lake Congo because it seems like a neat nation and should be playing more of an influence in Africa.
May eventually make a worlda of my 1988 (25 years since the death of Hitler) canon one day, but who knows.
PNWKing
Banned
Henry Jackson. The Henry Jackson. He seems perfect for the TNO world. I'm from his home state of Washington. That, and the fact that TNO-veres Germany is lead by the guy whose picture was used for the adult who found the Golden Ticket in the 1971 movie Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory.
chankljp
Donor
Not sure that this would be a good comparison. For one thing, Burgundy is basically every Western stereotype about OTL North Korea taken up to 11. Plus, unlike China's relationship with the DPRK, Burgundy is actually a national security threat to Speer's Germany as much as everyone else.
It's a combination of both stuff in-game and my own ideas. It's very rough and hardly the most realistic, but I imagine this is the general state of the world some time in the 80s-2020s
- Speer goes Fascist/Dengist and consolidates Nazi control over Eastern and Northern Europe
- America goes Wallace->Wholesome Lemay->Glenn (Mars landing included) and leads an OFN that includes Socialist Britain, Technocratic France, and Scorza-Futurist Italy. They're all only united because of paranoia over Germany's influence expanding, and even then some in France and Italy call for rapprochement with the Reich.
- Tabby takes over Russia and the Third Tomsk/Russian Republic manages to unite what remains after midnight. Russia hates Germany, but would rather be isolationist then drag itself into a conflict that risks Russia's destruction.
- Iberia gets taken over by the National Redemption Front before OFN intervenes and balkanizes the nation into a few friendly republics and monarchies.
- China wins the GAW, takes an anti-OFN SocDem/Socialist turn afterwards.
- Japan is reduced to a military junta afterwards that eventually "liberalizes" to an AutDem state that emphasizes consumer production and trade.
- India gets taken over by the rural authoritarian socialists and becomes a pariah state. (I'm primarily going off the old Indian civil war lore, not sure if its been changed at all since).
- Huttig takes over Africa and his state collapses shortly afterwards. OFN intervention is limited as much of the US is unwilling to get into a "Second South African War", leaving local crazies to run wild.
- Free France tries to keep up its claim as the real France into the 80s, but eventually internal instability and the impossibility of actually being able to regain the homeland cause its leaders to give power to the natives (with it being less "finally the natives can rule for themselves" and more "screw this the mass instability is your problem now") and reconcile with actual France.
- Egypt revolts against Italy and becomes an Islamic Theocracy that's in a de-facto alliance of convenience with Germany while Turkey and Iraq outright join the German sphere. The State of Israel is propped up by the OFN as a counter-weight, though this is controversial and the Italians occasionally grumble about the restoration of the old colonial governate.
- The nations of South America are relatively unaligned, with OFN and Germany constantly competing for influence and backing the occasional coup.
Rodzaevsky unifies Russia and stop being a Nazi LARPer with a pseudo-soviet system and becames a rational, anti-slavery and competent leader that would destroy the Reich.
If you want that, why would you go with Rozdaevsky? There's...every other unifier available.
Their username is Guatemalan Nat-Synd, and national syndicalism is one of the precursors to fascism (famously, the JONS part of the FET y de las JONS in Spain was this ideology), so...
Considering they haven't been banned yet, I'm assuming it's not a serious description of their political views.
I mean considering the only comment on their page is from a ‘fellow Hispanicist’ complaining about Calbear’s supposed ‘Marxist bias’ and the user in question referring to this board as being too progressive... I wouldn’t exactly be too sure about it, although I guess this isn’t the place to discuss the user’s political preferences.