Your Personal TNO Headcanon?

On the other hand, there are linguistic and ethnic ties between Germans, Austrians, and (some parts of) Switzerland, yet the idea of unifying those countries is dead. In the case of Austria, not even that long dead given that it's been less than a century since Anschluss and less than that since Austria was un-annexed after the Second World War. You could say the same thing about Scandinavia...I don't think it's out of the realm of the possible that a long post-Tabby anarchy could lead to permanent divides between different Russian states, who might acknowledge the others as also being Russian, in some sense, but still feel that they're not quite the same peoples and ought to remain independent of each other.
 
On the other hand, there are linguistic and ethnic ties between Germans, Austrians, and (some parts of) Switzerland, yet the idea of unifying those countries is dead. In the case of Austria, not even that long dead given that it's been less than a century since Anschluss and less than that since Austria was un-annexed after the Second World War. You could say the same thing about Scandinavia...I don't think it's out of the realm of the possible that a long post-Tabby anarchy could lead to permanent divides between different Russian states, who might acknowledge the others as also being Russian, in some sense, but still feel that they're not quite the same peoples and ought to remain independent of each other.
Really only the Tabby successor states, Black League, and Cult of Cain are incompatible with the others, everyone else has a real shot to mesh with others.
 
My Personal Headcanon of The New Order in 1973:

North America
United States

Richard Nixon - 1961-1964 (R-D)
John Kennedy - 1964-1964 (R-D)
John McCormack - 1964-1965 (R-D)
Robert Kennedy - 1965-1973 (NPP)
Henry Jackson - 1973-Present (NPP)

Europe
Germany

Adolf Hitler - 1933-1963
(NSDAP)
Martin Bormann - 1963-Present (NSDAP)


Great Britain
Alec Douglas-Home - 1958-1964 (RP)
George Jellicoe - 1964-Present (NDL)

Italy
Galeazzo Ciano - 1953-1963 (PNF)
Carlo Scorza - 1963-Present (PNF)


Russia (Tomsk)

Boris Pasternak - ????-1962 (Dec.)
Dmitry Likachov - 1962-Present (Dec.)*

Asia
Japan

Hiroya Ino - ????-1963 (IRAA)
Kiichi Aichi - 1963-1963 (IRAA)
Sokichi Takagi - 1963-Present (IRAA)


*Republic of Russia reunified in February 1972
 
I don't really see how "Russia is dead as a concept" would ever work. It's a way to hype up Taboritsky's utter devastation of the country, and it would definitely be right to say that due to his actions Russia may never rise to the status of great power ever again, but I don't see how one could remove Russia as a concept as long as there are ethnic Russians speaking Russian language around. Regional statelets aren't going to replace the common ties of language and origin, even if the devastation brought by the HRE causes these statelets to make a reunification impossible for decades to come.
From my understanding it's less "Russia is dead" and more that the damage Taboritsky has caused to the Russian population and land has effectively left all the various regional statelets and governments too devastated to make any attempt at re-unifying within the timeframe of TNO
 
I don't think that would happen. At the end of the day Russian identity is older and based on shared linguistic and ethnic ties, Taboristsky would certainly scar Russian identity forever but I don't think it would results in the people of Omsk and the people of Samara, who speak the same language and have the same traditions, start seeing each others as complete foreigners.
Well, I imagine it would be something like how someone in Morocco and someone in Iraq would both identify as Arab but would also emphasize how they're Moroccan or Iraqi as well. Also, I imagine the idea that regional identities are more important than some sort of identity as Russian to be something that would be stronger amongst the younger generation who grew up after Midnight, who would have grown up in a divided Russia and would only know of a united Russia from the stories about Taboritsky's utterly insane regime their parents, uncles, aunts, or grandparents told them.
 
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Well, I imagine it would be something like how someone in Morocco and someone in Iraq would both identify as Arab but would also emphasize how they're Moroccan or Iraqi as well. Also, I imagine the idea that regional identities are more important than some sort of identity as Russian to be something that would be stronger amongst the younger generation who grew up after Midnight, who would have grown up in a divided Russia and would only know of a united Russia from the stories about Taboritsky's utterly insane regime their parents, uncles, aunts, or grandparents told them.
I don't think a comparison with Arab identity works here: Arabs never had through history (except for the original Caliphates back in the early middle age) a single stable state unifying them and individual Arab nations had existed independently for years promoting their own regional self-identity (also supported by large geographical distances, especially when it comes to the Maghreb).
Russia on the other hand has been unified since the grand duchy of Muscovy was a thing, and the statelets rising from a post-Midnight scenario not only would have fewer resources to properly promote local nationalism, but their governments usually don't even seem interested in promoting such a thing since most of them have claims or ambitions to rule the rest of Russia (even if they're barely able to survive as it is).

If the fractured state of post-Taboritsky's Russia stays the way it is for many decades one might see a weakening of the idea of a unified Russia, but I don't see regional identities being particularly sustainable either, and while one can surely expects extreme political apathy by the younger generations of Russia in this situation I don't think that will lead to any enthusiasm for the identity of new Russian statelets either, unless we're talking of states made up of minorities like Kazakhs or Nenets.
 
My Personal Headcanon of The New Order in 1973:

North America
United States

Richard Nixon - 1961-1964 (R-D)
John Kennedy - 1964-1964 (R-D)
John McCormack - 1964-1965 (R-D)
Robert Kennedy - 1965-1973 (NPP)
Henry Jackson - 1973-Present (NPP)

Europe
Germany

Adolf Hitler - 1933-1963
(NSDAP)
Martin Bormann - 1963-Present (NSDAP)


Great Britain
Alec Douglas-Home - 1958-1964 (RP)
George Jellicoe - 1964-Present (NDL)

Italy
Galeazzo Ciano - 1953-1963 (PNF)
Carlo Scorza - 1963-Present (PNF)


Russia (Tomsk)
Boris Pasternak - ????-1962 (Dec.)
Dmitry Likachov - 1962-Present (Dec.)*

Asia
Japan

Hiroya Ino - ????-1963 (IRAA)
Kiichi Aichi - 1963-1963 (IRAA)
Sokichi Takagi - 1963-Present (IRAA)


*Republic of Russia reunified in February 1972
Very interesting.
 
I don't think a comparison with Arab identity works here: Arabs never had through history (except for the original Caliphates back in the early middle age) a single stable state unifying them and individual Arab nations had existed independently for years promoting their own regional self-identity (also supported by large geographical distances, especially when it comes to the Maghreb).
Russia on the other hand has been unified since the grand duchy of Muscovy was a thing, and the statelets rising from a post-Midnight scenario not only would have fewer resources to properly promote local nationalism, but their governments usually don't even seem interested in promoting such a thing since most of them have claims or ambitions to rule the rest of Russia (even if they're barely able to survive as it is).

If the fractured state of post-Taboritsky's Russia stays the way it is for many decades one might see a weakening of the idea of a unified Russia, but I don't see regional identities being particularly sustainable either, and while one can surely expects extreme political apathy by the younger generations of Russia in this situation I don't think that will lead to any enthusiasm for the identity of new Russian statelets either, unless we're talking of states made up of minorities like Kazakhs or Nenets.
The way I see it, a functional Russian state might be able to form out of the chaos of the Taboritsky era, but it won't be able to retake Moscow.
 
The way I see it, a functional Russian state might be able to form out of the chaos of the Taboritsky era, but it won't be able to retake Moscow.
Exactly. That's if Moskowien doesn't collapse under the weight of it's extremely lopsided demographics and barely being held up by a few popsicle sticks, while Bormann (I believe the canon leader of germany) wheezes to death and Germany collapses. I see it as being a separate state to whatever re-re-unifies Russia after Tabby. Probably someone sane/better because other than the Redeemed Black League, none of the tabby successors or weird cults will have the material or support to unify the (still) largest nation on earth.
 
Exactly. That's if Moskowien doesn't collapse under the weight of it's extremely lopsided demographics and barely being held up by a few popsicle sticks, while Bormann (I believe the canon leader of germany) wheezes to death and Germany collapses. I see it as being a separate state to whatever re-re-unifies Russia after Tabby. Probably someone sane/better because other than the Redeemed Black League, none of the tabby successors or weird cults will have the material or support to unify the (still) largest nation on earth.
The Trans-Ural Confederation is basically the Terran Federation from Starship Troopers (the book, not the movie), so I think they have a good chance of cleaning up Taboritsky's mess by focusing on quality over quantity.
 
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Will probably try and do a write-up for my headcanon soon, just made this a while back as an in-universe CIA report for my headcanon and figured I'd throw it up in this thread before I try and write out the damned thing.
 
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There was a thread on Reddit the other day asking about people's 1972 headcanons so I'm just going to copy/paste my response to that here since I finally bothered to write it down:

Russia: The West Russian United Front (ultimately led by Bukharina) defeats all its opponents, and storms over the Urals to crush a faltering Black League. In the Far East, Sablin fights against the odds to realize a free Soviet world, but seems doomed to be ground under Novosibirsk's superior industry and manpower until the Russian Soviet Republic rolls in to save the day. Sablin is currently semiretired but seems likely to take Suslov's "sinecure" soon, as he's far more likely to give sincere advice to the Party. Bukharina's state now builds up its forces, ready and waiting to strike the fascists that surround it.

USA: Basically what you have really in terms of Harrington, but the OFN is a little less unified and the rapidly intensifying foreign policy sector are going to catch Harrington off guard near the end of his second term, but his social programs are going to be the third rail of American politics forever.

Non-Germany Europe: the Commonwealth of Britain serves as a bridge between the OFN and Socintern, which is currently a lot easier with the NPP-C in charge but the future may test its loyalties more. Italy has semidemocratized but the shadow of Fascism looms large over it. That it is in the OFN causes no amount of discomfort, but it is strategically important and brought over the Balkans as well. Iberia is just wholesome blessed democratized Iberia, in the OFN as well.

Japan and China: Japan has been liberalizing under Takagi, but the failure of Order 44 has thrown things into chaos, and a truly modernized China is ready to strike back against its master. But how much fascism has infected the hearts and minds of its leaders? What will China unchained look like after its century and a half of humiliation?

Germany: Speer won, but ultimately fell victim to the NatSoc coup in ~70 or so. The backsliding and degenerating conditions, both living and militarily, are beginning to be a concern even to the coup leaders, who are beginning to wonder if the Go4 were right. And all the while, people who had a taste of liberalization are angrier than ever about what they lost.

Middle East: The Levantine Confederation maintains an uneasy internal peace as the UAR breathes down its neck. The UAR not exactly being sure how it wants to align itself (factions pull it towards fascism, socialism, a more local authoritarian flavoring, the works) helps somewhat. The socialists win out in Iran (thanks to a lot of Soviet aid coming in over the Caspian sea (and eventually just over the border), providing a needed non-colonial member of the Socintern to Bukharina.

Africa: Pro-OFN ceasefire results in a nearly immediate Afrikaschild collapse. States like the Popular Republic of the Congo and the Socialist Republic of Tanzania are critical members of the Socintern, while South Africa somewhat reluctantly acts as the OFN's main influencer in the region. Also the Cameroon African State has land on Lake Congo because it seems like a neat nation and should be playing more of an influence in Africa.

May eventually make a worlda of my 1988 (25 years since the death of Hitler) canon one day, but who knows.
 
Henry Jackson. The Henry Jackson. He seems perfect for the TNO world. I'm from his home state of Washington. That, and the fact that TNO-veres Germany is lead by the guy whose picture was used for the adult who found the Golden Ticket in the 1971 movie Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory.
 
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