Your Personal Pop Culture Utopia timeline
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I haven't thought that much about it but it plays similar to the first one, although Vibri's popularity mostly comes from Parrapa games and anime ITTL
Is Vibri also a character in the PaRappa the Rapper games?
Yes, as I mentioned previously, and before you ask, she keeps the vectored look
Okay. It'd be cool to see PaRappa duke it out with Vibri in a rap.
They do that on the anime, FYI, although she joined MilkCan after (as a pianist if you ask)
Here is my take on the Disney Company in a “Walt Lives” scenario (Note that this is part of a larger timeline)
The Buena Vista Company (as of 1 January 2020):
The Buena Vista Company (as of 1 January 2020):
- Buena Vista Entertainment
- Walt Disney Pictures
- Warner Bros. Pictures
- United Artists
- Walt Disney-Warner Feature Animation
- Jim Henson Pictures
- Nickelodeon Movies
- American Zoetrope
- Vitaphone Pictures (become an anime dubbing company)
- Games Animation (OTL Grantray-Lawrence)
- Buena Vista Nippon Animation (OTL producers of Doraemon 73’)
- Buena Vista Media & Distribution
- Buena Vista Pictures Distribution
- Buena Vista Television
- Walt Disney Television
- Warner Bros. Television
- Walt Disney-Warner Television Animation
- United Artists Television
- Jim Henson Televsion
- Nickelodeon Studios
- Vitaphone Television (become an anime dubbing company)
- Buena Vista Networks
- The WB
- The Movie Channel
- The Disney Channel
- Jetix
- Nickelodeon
- Nick Jr.
- Nicktoons
- MTV
- MTV 2
- History Channel
- ESPN Networks
- ESPN
- ESPN International
- ESPN Radio
- Buena Vista Home Entertainment
- Walt Disney Home Entertainment
- Warner Home Video
- UA/WDW Home Video
- Buena Vista Music Group
- Walt Disney Records
- Warner Bros. Records
- Elektra Records
- Atlantic Records
- Reprise Records
- Rhino Entertainment
- Geffen Records
- Asylum Records
- DGC Records
- United Artists Records
- Jetix (streaming service)
- Buena Vista Parks, Experiences and Products
- DisneyWarnerLand Resort
- Riverfront Square
- DisneyWarner World
- Port DisneyWarner
- Tokyo DisneyWarner Resort
- DisneyWarnerLand Valencia
- DisneyWarnerLand Cape Town
- Shanghai DisneyWarnerLand
- Chuck E. Cheese’s
- Buena Vista Consumer Products
- Buena Vista Vacation Development
- DisneyWarnerLand International
- DisneyWarner Cruise Lines
- Buena Vista Publishing Worldwide
- WED Imagineering
- WED Industrial, Light and Magic
- WED Amusements
- WED Creature Shop
- Marvel Entertainment
- Marvel Studios
- Marvel Television
- Marvel Worldwide
- Marvel Comics
- Marvel Press
- Marvel Knights
- Mirage Comics
- Harvey Comics
- Icon Comics
- Infinite Comics
- Timely Comics
- Marvel Brands
- Atari, Inc
- Disney Interactive Studios
- Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment
- 1-UP Studio
- American Zoetrope Games
- Cyclops Games
- DAMON
- Marvel Games
- Nickelodeon Interactive
- Serpent, Inc
- Undertale Games
- Atari Games
- Atari Store
- Atari Live
- Atari Music
- Atari+ (streaming service)
- Atari Pay
- Atari Software Research & Development
- Atari Technology Research & Development
- Nintendo (25%)
- CREaiTIVE Developments
- Beats Electronics
- Mickey Mouse/Silly Symphonies (theatrical shorts until 1987 ITTL)
- Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies (more adult-oriented, Merrie Melodies becomes experimental/showcase like OTL’s What a Cartoon, each run until 1985/1986 ITTL)
- Dr. Seuss (most, if not all, adaptations ITTL were collaborations between Dr. Seuss and Chuck Jones)
- Marvel Universe (the MCU comes out in the 1980s ITTL, uses Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, and X-Men instead of Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant Man and Captain Marvel)
- James Bond
- The Godfather
- Doraemon (the 1973 anime is successful, runs until 2002 ITTL)
- The Exorcist (more of an anthology horror franchise like the Conjuring IOTL)
- The Muppets (still popular and relevant into the 2020s, with Jim Henson himself living until May 2020 ITTL after retiring in 2009)
- Steven Universe (made in 1975-1982 ITTL, due to earlier LGBT rights and no stigma against Western Animation)
- Stephen King (includes a faithful adaptation of The Shining directed by Nicholas Roeg, and an animated Stranger Things series made in the 1980s and set in the 1950s by Steven Spielberg)
- The Star Wars (more Western-influenced instead of samurai influenced)
- Indiana Jones
- Studio Ghibli Universe (English dubs)
- Blade Runner (is adult animation due to no Western Animation stigma)
- Back to the Future
- Ren & Stimpy (first airs in 1986 ITTL due to no stigma against Western Animation; still airs in modern day due to John K being a good man that doesn’t sexually assault anyone)
- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
- Evangelion (is a Western cartoon and set in San Fransisco, due to no Western Animation stigma and Hideaki Anno moving to America in the 1970s)
- Avatar (The Last Airbender, becomes a major franchise for Nickelodeon)
- Oz Mania/Better Call Sam (known IOTL as Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul; set in Australia and India ITTL due to normalization of recreational drug use in America and Mexico ITTL)
Let me get this straight.
You're telling me that in the present day of your timeline...
Disney owns not only their own animation studio, the Muppets, Star Wars, Marvel, and Studio Ghibli dubs...
But also Warner Bros., United Artists, Nickelodeon, Atari, a quarter of Nintendo, Chuck E. Cheese's, Harvey Comics, Undertale, Dr. Seuss, James Bond, Doraemon, Steven Universe, Back to the Future, Ren and Stimpy, TMNT, Evangelion, A:TLA, and TTL's Breaking Bad?
And somehow, animation as a whole is a lot better overall, in spite of Disney owning three animation studios?
I get that this is a utopian thread, and make no mistake, I would love to visit this timeline. But is there any competition in this case?
Of course! There are multiple competitors! Disney is just the largest one. Disney doesn’t even own a broadcast network, as those are separate due to alternate FCC law forbidding movie studios from owning over the air broadcast networks.
There are actually multiple competitors - 6 other major studios and 8 mini-majors. These include - in descending order - Paramount/Tristar, Universal/Lorimar, MGM/Columbia, Motown/Fox, RKO/Desilu, Touchstone, New Line, Gaylord (fictional), Samuel Goldwyn/Carolco, CanWest Global/Alliance, Village Roadshow/Legendary, Hemdale/Cannon, A24, and Mirror Dimension (OTL Miramax/Weinstein Company/Dimension Films). That’s not even mentioning the numerous smaller production companies and the United States (alternate) Department of the Arts…
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Thank goodness. As much as I like the idea of seeing Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny on the same TV screen on a normal day's afternoon, I was also skeptical of how it got to that point. I'm really glad that it's not a monopoly at all
Seven major studios and eight mini-majors. That's definitely not a monopoly. And the major studios themselves are great. We've got the usual stalwarts of Paramount, Universal, Fox, and a merger between MGM and Columbia. But there's also the survival of RKO as a major studio, and a whole bunch of variety.
However, if I could allow for a major studio to acquire a mini-major, I would have RKO acquire Touchstone, Samuel Goldwyn/Carolco, and/or New Line to keep up with the demand from the other 6 competitors.
Also, one more note. If Disney now owns United Artists, does that mean they now own the DFE library of Pink Panther, The Inspector, The Ant and the Aardvark, and more 60s and 70s classic cartoons? Or does that fall under one of the other major studios?
DFE never existed ITTL, because all the big name Termite Terrace alumni (Clampett, Avery, Jones, Freleng, McKimson) stuck around with Uncle Walt. Walt in particular plays a key role in resolving the Clampett-Jones feud that resulted in Clampett leaving IOTL 1945.
TTL’s Pink Panther equivalent is made by a (non existent IOTL) studio called Brown-Deitch Animation - a studio founded by the guy that made the 1960s Tom & Jerry cartoons. Ant and the Aardvark and the Inspector are made in-house under the Warner Bros. label.
Did you say Termite Terrace alumni stuck with Walt? Then when did Disney merge with or buy out WB?
Outside of that, having all of those big names working together at the same time is a great thing for the studio at large.
Pink Panther animated by Gene Deitch. I'll stick to the DFE house style over that paint job. Although the other two big series being at WB instead is a vast improvement.
Cool! Can't wait to see!
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You're joking about Disney, Warner and United Artists being under the same corporate umbrella right?
But what does American Zoetrope do?
And what kind of anime does Vitaphone import?
So, what does Games Animation make? Original concepts while DWTA stick to IPs or what?
And how does Buena Vista Nippon Animation come to be?
Okay, but what's the differences between all of these movie and TV studios?
If they have these networks, then why does Nicktoons and Nick Jr. exist? What does Jetix do ITTL?
And History Channel is a A&E network.....
And what's the difference between Disney Channel and Nickelodeon?
Okay....
How does Jetix perform as a streaming service? Is it a Crunchyroll/VRV-esque service?
AWESOME!
What are the Press, Knights, Harvey, Icon, Infinite and Timely labels? And what's Mirage and Harvey doing under Buena Vista?
AWESOME!
What gaming properties do they have?
What do those do?
HOW DID THEY GET NINTENDO?
What those do and how did Beats get in here?
Cool!
But how did most of these wind up under Buena Vista?
Exactly............
And how does Western animation lose their stigma?
Cool! But how does that law get into effect, let alone still exist into the present day?
- What does Paramount/Tristar, Universal/Lorimar, MGM/Columbia, Motown/Fox, RKO/Desilu, Touchstone, New Line, Gaylord, Samuel Goldwyn/Carolco and Canwset/Alliance own?
- How will animation be ITTL?
- Will anime be popular ITTL?
What's up with these?
Okay...................
But Deitch? From what I heard of him, naw.......
Overall, good outprint for a TL!
1. The original PODs are that the Taiping Rebellion is co-opted into modernizing China and Hannibal Hamlin succeeds President Lincoln instead of Andrew Johnson - both resulting in a more socially egalitarian and technologically advanced world. The Disney stuff comes in when Walt Disney stops smoking after his wartime service. Later on, butterfly effect does its thing, and instead of pitching Oswald the Lucky Rabbit to Universal, he pitches it to Warner Bros. Oswald eventually evolves into Bugs Bunny. Warner Bros handles distribution of Disney films at first. After the Paramount case and several Weinstein-esque scandals in the early 50s, Disney buys out Warner Bros and reorganizes into The Buena Vista Company, with Warner Bros as the more adult label.
2. Yes. Animation quality of the theatrical shorts also stays at late 1940s/early 1950s level well into the mid-1980s when they finally end.
3. Yes. Expect those two series to have better animation and jokes due to having an animation/writing budget that dwarfs that of what DFE had to offer.
Amazing.
Cool!
Huh? How does that work?
Ah, so that's how we get both Disney and Warner Bros under the same banner. That explains it.
I love this.
Jokes on you, because I liked the Ant and the Aardvark shorts.
Cool, what does everyone think of my opinions on this?
1. I’m afraid not. Disney, Warner Bros, and United Artists are all under the same umbrella. American Zoetrope is used to make Star Wars, with Lucas founding Lucasfilm a decade later than OTL to work on non-Buena Vista projects.
2. Vitaphone is the former sound-on-film division repurposed in the 1960s for dubbing Anime for markets in North America, British Isles, Southern Africa and Oceania. They primarily have deals with studios such as Toei Animation, OLM, and Madhouse. Jetix is like Toonami as a TV network and Crunchyroll as a streaming service.
3. WDWFA and WDWTA primarily deal with original concepts, while Games Animation deals with IP projects such as animated shows in Star Wars and Marvel, and shows for Nickelodeon. They’re also like DisneyToon Studios in that they deal with lower budget animated movies (BUT NOT DIRECT TO VIDEO). BVNA does anime projects such as Doraemon.
4. ITTL, The Disney Channel never jumped to basic cable and stayed premium - focusing on airing all Disney movies and high quality originals like HBO. While Nickelodeon became known for their own kids sitcoms (but no Dan Schneider) and is basic cable. Disney’s OTL animated shows still exist, but air on TPN 1/Kid’s TPN (TTL’s PBS/PBS Kids) instead. TTL’s Disney Channel sitcoms are produced by Touchstone.
5. Atari was bought by Disney and had more quality control and the 1983 crash never happened. They team up with Nintendo and market the NES in Western countries as the “Atari Famicom Entertainment System”. This partnership continues into the present day. Atari also buys Apple and blurs the line between handheld gaming and mobile gaming - resulting in both having much more quality control.
At least Disney still does kids sitcoms through Nickelodeon, and they have both basic and premium cable covered on the small screen. But why and/or how do the likes of DuckTales, Recess, or Kim Possible qualify for PBS material?
You're saying that Disney now owns Apple? Huh?
Western Animation loses its stigma due to:
1. The 1915 Mutual Decision narrowly rules in favor of movies being free speech. Instead of OTL’s Hays Code, a different regulation body - the American Film Classification Council - is implemented in 1933 as an MPAA style body. The ratings are as follows: G (General Audiences), P (Parental Guidance Suggested), T (Teen; not added until 1957), R (Must Be With Adult), and X (No One Under 17). This gives filmmakers more artistic freedom by giving them a higher rating, while allowing families a family friendly option. This allows animated films and short subjects in the 30s/40s/50s to be edgier.
2. The United States Government creates a public broadcaster in the 1920s called The People’s Network (TPN), stronger than OTL’s PBS and on par with OTL’s BBC in Britain. The creation of a public broadcaster results in TV NOT being marketed as a way to keep kids quiet in the 1950s. This allows for animated shows to aim for an adult audience in the 1960s/1970s.
1. The 1915 Mutual Decision narrowly rules in favor of movies being free speech. Instead of OTL’s Hays Code, a different regulation body - the American Film Classification Council - is implemented in 1933 as an MPAA style body. The ratings are as follows: G (General Audiences), P (Parental Guidance Suggested), T (Teen; not added until 1957), R (Must Be With Adult), and X (No One Under 17). This gives filmmakers more artistic freedom by giving them a higher rating, while allowing families a family friendly option. This allows animated films and short subjects in the 30s/40s/50s to be edgier.
2. The United States Government creates a public broadcaster in the 1920s called The People’s Network (TPN), stronger than OTL’s PBS and on par with OTL’s BBC in Britain. The creation of a public broadcaster results in TV NOT being marketed as a way to keep kids quiet in the 1950s. This allows for animated shows to aim for an adult audience in the 1960s/1970s.
Apple is less successful and is absorbed into Atari by 1999. In the 2000s, Atari releases the Game Boy Pod, a foldable game console capable of not only video games but also playing music. This eventually culminates in the Game Phone in 2010, a touchscreen device that can be hooked up to a special console dock - basically a hybrid of the iPhone and Nintendo Switch.