your life in jello biafras reds

Japhy

Banned
I'm going to assume your under 60 so you'd be born In the UASR

I'm assuming I have free will and thus would not be a fan of shiny happy hipster communist land, and thus would wind up dead because there's never been a Communist state in the history of the world that wasn't build on a steady stream of corpses.
 
I'm assuming I have free will and thus would not be a fan of shiny happy hipster communist land, and thus would wind up dead because there's never been a Communist state in the history of the world that wasn't build on a steady stream of corpses.

If you haven't read TTL you should. Cause there were lots of bodies. ITTL America def is not a shiny happy hipster communist land, at least not yet. Jello only hints at it like he's teasing us sociological intellectuals.
 

Japhy

Banned
If you haven't read TTL you should. Cause there were lots of bodies. ITTL America def is not a shiny happy hipster communist land, at least not yet. Jello only hints at it like he's teasing us sociological intellectuals.

I have read it. After the nice clean cut murder of counter-revolutionaries and all the enemies of the people things suddenly get magically better then anything that ever happened in a communist state or free country. Its got rather epic ideological blinders to say the least.
 
I have read it. After the nice clean cut murder of counter-revolutionaries and all the enemies of the people things suddenly get magically better then anything that ever happened in a communist state or free country. Its got rather epic ideological blinders to say the least.
Um, excuse me?

The TL is complete only up to 1938, a mere five and change years after the revolution, and things aren't suddenly magically better by then.

Everything after that has been hints and innuendo. Look, it's one thing to not like something, or not think it's plausible. That's totally fine. But don't make things up to justify not liking it.
 
You know there is a revised edition then. It hasn't even touched on modern times. Besides we never even got to WWII in Red Dawn. Everything doesn't magically get great. We can see that from the sneak peeks Jello has provided us. He's even mentioned a kind of turmoil in the 60's similar to OTL's movements. There is no hand-wavering here Jello has gone into great detail to create a very plausible democratic socialist/communist America.
 

Japhy

Banned
Um, excuse me?

The TL is complete only up to 1938, a mere five and change years after the revolution, and things aren't suddenly magically better by then.

Everything after that has been hints and innuendo. Look, it's one thing to not like something, or not think it's plausible. That's totally fine. But don't make things up to justify not liking it.

I'm not making anything up, your hints present a world that doesn't make sense and the simple fact that you have a Communist Revolution that seizes power by force and then allows legal opposition and dissent is ridiculous.
 
America is still a democratic constitutional republic ITTL it only operates socially this time around. Besides most of the opposition of the right is either imprisoned, executed, or in exile. Like I said there were plenty of bodies. From what we see it was not too different from OTL U.S. Just a different government with a little more power for the people. Which makes it much more prosperous in the future.
 
I'm not making anything up, your hints present a world that doesn't make sense and the simple fact that you have a Communist Revolution that seizes power by force and then allows legal opposition and dissent is ridiculous.
In other words, because the communists weren't cartoonishly evil, it's not plausible to you. :rolleyes:

The factors behind the revolution were well explained even in the initial draft. The reds didn't "seize power by force"; they legitimately won election, and then were forced by the counterreaction to employ force against a reactionary coup attempt.

Seriously, this isn't difficult. Even full blown American Stalinists IOTL believed in achieving power democratically, and believed there was a role for opposition in government. Generalizing all left wing revolutions based on the single model provided by the Bolsheviks is stupid, and somehting that even OTL's Stalinists didn't agree on. And the people who make the revolution in Reds were very much not Stalinists, whatever their faults were.

Now, if you want to keep having this discussion, I'd ask you take it to my TL thread, and not further derail this one.
 
Unlike Abhakhazia, Japhy, and The Vulture, I still have a reasonable chance of existing ITTL. With Colombia going socialist, my mother would still be able to immigrate easily to Miami and hopefully encounter my Philly-born father on Ocean Drive. Given the nature of the UASR, Miami might be unrecognizable to any OTL person dropped there by an ASB. Most of the quintessential Art Deco Architecture that characterizes Miami Beach was built during the Depression, and I'm sure that that style would quickly lose its appeal, being associated with the decadence of the latter-day USA. Still, thanks to an earlier wave of Cuban refugees, there'd almost certainly be a construction boom in Miami anyway, albeit one characterized by Constructivist architecture.

As for my life, I'd probably affiliate myself with an organization working to restore relations with USA-occupied Cuba, or, failing that, support dissident groups on that island. I'd still have a lot of Cuban-American friends, but they'd probably come from radically different backgrounds than pretty much all CubAmericanos I personally know.

My political affiliation would almost certainly lie with the Social Ecology Union, given their environmentalism and preference for Detente as opposed to confrontation with the last remaining capitalist states. Considering how green parties apparently have a lot more strength ITTL, I guess it must be reflective of an even greater environmental crisis than OTL.
 
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