Your favorite battle from the Modern Age (1453-1789)

GauchoBadger

GauchoBadger

What is your favorite military clash that happened between the fall of Constantinople (1453) and the fall of the Bastille (1789, mark of the French Revolution)?
Mine are...
Pavia (1515) -- prevented the bourbon french from expanding their ambitions in Italy and cemented Milan as a Habsburg duchy.
Malta (1565) -- i'd say this one was more decisive than Lepanto.
Blenheim (1704) -- prevented the french kingdom's forces from knocking Austria out of the Spanish Succession War and estabilishing a supply line towards Rakoczi's Hungary.
Outside Europe...
Third Battle of Panipat (1761) -- put a check the rather impressive expansion of the Maratha Empire and cemented its decline. The other two battles that also happened before at Panipat are interesting, too.
Chaldiran (1514) -- cut off Persia from the Middle East and prevented it from coming to the Mamluk Sultanate's aid against the ottomans.
Alger (1775) -- could the spanish, not the french, have started colonizing Algeria if they won this one?
 
Indicus

Indicus

GauchoBadger said:
Third Battle of Panipat (1761) -- put a check the rather impressive expansion of the Maratha Empire and cemented its decline.
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No, it didn't. The Marathas, in fact, got more powerful in the 1770s, establishing a puppet ruler in Delhi, and it was only later that they declined.

And the people that they fought, the Durrani Empire, collapsed into total anarchy in later decades despite their win.
 

ATP45

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GauchoBadger said:
What is your favorite military clash that happened between the fall of Constantinople (1453) and the fall of the Bastille (1789, mark of the French Revolution)?
Mine are...
Pavia (1515) -- prevented the bourbon french from expanding their ambitions in Italy and cemented Milan as a Habsburg duchy.
Malta (1565) -- i'd say this one was more decisive than Lepanto.
Blenheim (1704) -- prevented the french kingdom's forces from knocking Austria out of the Spanish Succession War and estabilishing a supply line towards Rakoczi's Hungary.
Outside Europe...
Third Battle of Panipat (1761) -- put a check the rather impressive expansion of the Maratha Empire and cemented its decline. The other two battles that also happened before at Panipat are interesting, too.
Chaldiran (1514) -- cut off Persia from the Middle East and prevented it from coming to the Mamluk Sultanate's aid against the ottomans.
Alger (1775) -- could the spanish, not the french, have started colonizing Algeria if they won this one?
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Mochylew 1581.Iwan the terrible send 30.000 strong army to rake Mochylew.200 winged hussars fought them for 7 hour.314 polish medium calvary came and togethrt with hussars beat moscovited down.After that,Tzar Ivan never try to fought with Poles in open field.He still had numerical advantage,but Poles had winged hussars.
 
Indicus

Indicus

Anyways, when it comes to great battles, I like to point out the Battle of Karnal, where Nader Shah totally smashed the Mughal Empire and made India's great decline irreversible.
 
GauchoBadger

GauchoBadger

Indicus said:
No, it didn't. The Marathas, in fact, got more powerful in the 1770s, establishing a puppet ruler in Delhi, and it was only later that they declined.

And the people that they fought, the Durrani Empire, collapsed into total anarchy in later decades despite their win.
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IIRC, the Sikhs benefitted from the battle and took the window of opportunity to expand. So maybe a different Third Panipat could have its consequences.
 
Earl Marshal

Earl Marshal

Well as a good old Yank I would have to say the battle of Yorktown, but I also really like the Battle of Vienna in 1683, the battle of the Ugra River in 1480, and the battle of Sekigahara in 1600.
 
Karolus Rex

Karolus Rex

The Siege of Diu, just because of the letter that the Portuguese Captain sent to the Ottoman Pasha telling him:

"Muito honrado capitão Paxá, bem vi as palavras da tua carta. Se em Rodes tivessem estado os cavaleiros que estão aqui neste curral podes crer que não a terias tomado. Fica a saber que aqui estão portugueses acostumados a matar muitos mouros e têm por capitão António da Silveira, que tem um par de tomates mais fortes que as balas dos teus canhões e que todos os portugueses aqui têm tomates e não temem quem os não tenha!"

Translation:

"Much honored captain Pasha, I saw the words in your letter. If in Rhodes had been the knights that are here now, in this corral you can believe that you would had not take it. May you know that here are Portuguese accustomed to kill many moors and that they have per Captain António da Silveira, that has a pair of testicles stronger than the balls of your cannons and that all Portuguese here have testicles and they don't fear those without them!"

That and another funny story from the siege, of a simple soldier going into the enemy camp to spy on them and then forgetting about the helmet that a friend had lent him, only to go down the walls in a rope, in broad daylight, in front of the all enemy army just to go back to take the helmet and made it back to the fortress uninjured make, this my favorite, and probably the most funny, siege that I know of.
 
Mental_Wizard

Mental_Wizard

Siege of Rome (1527)


First Battle of Breitenfeld (1631)


Battle of Prague (1648)


Siege of Vienna (1683)



Battle of Poltava (1709)


Siege of Fredrikshald (1718)



:p somebody is going to get the reference...


Seriously though.

Poltava. La Noche Triste (1520), Battle of Saratoga (1777), Battle of Sekigahara (1600)... I like lopsided battles ;)


and then because it needs some love the English Armada (1589).
 
SealTheRealDeal

SealTheRealDeal

GauchoBadger said:
What is your favorite military clash that happened between the fall of Constantinople (1453) and the fall of the Bastille (1789, mark of the French Revolution)?
Mine are...
Pavia (1515) -- prevented the bourbon french from expanding their ambitions in Italy and cemented Milan as a Habsburg duchy.
Malta (1565) -- i'd say this one was more decisive than Lepanto.
Blenheim (1704) -- prevented the french kingdom's forces from knocking Austria out of the Spanish Succession War and estabilishing a supply line towards Rakoczi's Hungary.
Outside Europe...
Third Battle of Panipat (1761) -- put a check the rather impressive expansion of the Maratha Empire and cemented its decline. The other two battles that also happened before at Panipat are interesting, too.
Chaldiran (1514) -- cut off Persia from the Middle East and prevented it from coming to the Mamluk Sultanate's aid against the ottomans.
Alger (1775) -- could the spanish, not the french, have started colonizing Algeria if they won this one?
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Wandiwash (1760) It's a fairly small battle, but it did for the British in the south what Plassey did in the north.
Poltava (1709) and just like that an Empire on the rise and the powerful army that carried it there went crunch.

Sadly my favourite battle of all is cut off by the dates.
Wagram (1809) It's just so rare that the two greatest commanders of an age throw down on even footing.
 

WunWun

The battle of Fraustadt 1706 is one of my favorites. A Swedish army without artillery defeated a Russian one twice the size, with artillery.
Done in a offensive manoeuvre, not in defense of a fortified position.
 
GauchoBadger

GauchoBadger

Just remembered another one of mine -- Beachy Head (1690).
One of the very few times France defeated Britain at sea. And had the french actually prepared for a mainland invasion, they could have put James II back on the british throne after such a battle.
 

Tanc49

Karolus Rex said:
"Much honored captain Pasha, I saw the words in your letter. If in Rhodes had been the knights that are here now, in this corral you can believe that you would had not take it. May you know that here are Portuguese accustomed to kill many moors and that they have per Captain António da Silveira, that has a pair of testicles stronger than the balls of your cannons and that all Portuguese here have testicles and they don't fear those without them!"
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The Portuguese conquest reads like a bad novel with cheesy one liners.

Like when the Persian sent an embassy to Hormux to collect tribute and Albuquerque sent back canon balls and spears saying those were the only tribute they would ever pay.

Or Duarte Pacheico Perreira defending Cochin against an army 100 times his own forces and defeated them so badly the enemy king became a monk.
You can't make that shit up
 
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