Your Ancestors as Presidents or PMs.

This is an idea I've been kicking around for a little while and thought it'd be fun to post.

Basically, you can take a list of your ancestors(or even recent relatives), real or ATL(depending on the POD of course), and make them President of the United States or Mexico, or the Prime Minister of Canada, Great Britain, or any other Commonwealth country, such as Australia, New Zealand, etc. (I'll even throw in the Taoiseach of Ireland just for fun.).
Any POD can be used, as long as it's reasonable. :)

I'll try to put up my first list in a couple hours or so.
 

Glen

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This is an idea I've been kicking around for a little while and thought it'd be fun to post.

Basically, you can take a list of your ancestors(or even recent relatives), real or ATL(depending on the POD of course), and make them President of the United States or Mexico, or the Prime Minister of Canada, Great Britain, or any other Commonwealth country, such as Australia, New Zealand, etc. (I'll even throw in the Taoiseach of Ireland just for fun.).
Any POD can be used, as long as it's reasonable. :)

In the Dominion of Southern America President Kays and President Tullis are ATL relatives of mine.
I'll try to put up my first list in a couple hours or so.
 
To those who notice Canadian politics: my great-aunt dated Paul Martin Sr. in high school. Maybe I could butterfly Paul Martin Jr. (unlikely) with that but I doubt it would actually create an in-family pri-minister.
 
Let us say that The World wars go differently and Canada comes into possession of The Carribean holdings immediately after *WWII. There would be a chance for my father's relatives to become a PM.
There is a slim chance that my mother's ancestors could become President of the USA in any timeline where a US resembling our own arises.
How about a Chancellor of Germany named Knisely? :D
 

Abhakhazia

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I have some family members that were Know Nothings and Republicans during the period between 1852 and the Civil War.

Grandpa was a bigtime Democrat.
 
My familiy were high ranking judges in NYC, so there was a slight possibility there, but they were also incredibly greedy, Mafia connected, Italian, and Roman Catholic, so Great Grandpa Tony would have had to be quite a charismatic figure (and ambitious rather than money loving) to pull off anything close to the presidency, and I would be butterfly food if that happened:eek:
 
In the Dominion of Southern America President Kays and President Tullis are ATL relatives of mine.

Apparently I'm related to President Buchanan, the shortest serving elected president in US history. What if he was president for a whole term?

Cool stuff, guys.

Anyway, I just thought I might clarify that I intended for this thread to be something along the lines of "List alternate PMs or Presidents". As an example of what I mean, here's the one I made:


POD: The Embargo Act doesn't pass in 1807.

*Assassinated
**Died in office, even by suicide or accident
***Resigned voluntarily
****Removed from office
*****Came into office thru Succession Act.
#Died before inauguration
+Ran for two non-consecutive terms, and ITTL, is counted as only one President.
++Not in this party IOTL.
+++Virtually unknown IOTL....regarded as the second worst President ever ITTL.

DR: Democratic-Republican
F: Federalist
D: Democratic
KN: Know Nothing
NP: Non-Partisan(OTL: Independent)
R: Republican
UN: Unionist
W: Whig
S: Socialist
C: Conservative
CN: Constitution
DP: Dixie Party
SD: Southern Democrat
L: Libertarian

1800-1808: Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)
1808-1812: James Madison (DR-VA)
1812-1816: James Monroe (DR-VA)
1816-1820: Henry Clay+ (F-KY)
1820-1821: Daniel D. Tompkins** (F-NY)
1821-1824: Aaron Burr (F-VA)
1824-1832: Andrew Jackson (DR-SC)
1832-1836: Henry Clay+ (F-KY)
1836-1840: William H. Harrison (W-IN)
1840-1841: John C. Calhoun# (D-GA)
1841-1843: Willie P. Mangum*++ (KN-NC)
1843-1844: Walter Forward++ (KN-CT)
1844-1848: John Bell++(CN-TN)
1848-1852: Winfield Scott (W-VA)
1852-1856: Martin Van Buren (D-NY)
1856-1860: Yearby Land (NP-AR)
1860-1861: Stephen A. Douglas**** (R-IL)
1861-1866: Abraham Lincoln** (R-IL)
1866-1872: John C. Fremont (R-CA)
1872-1876: Ulysses S. Grant (NP-OH)
1876-1880: John Wilkes Booth (UN-KY)
1880-1882: Thomas Washington Bozeman** (D-IA)
1882-1883: Horace Greeley* (D-NY)
1883-1888: Thomas A. Hendricks (D-NY)
1889-1892: James G. Blaine(R-ME)
1892-1900: John Louis Holderby(R-MO)
1900-1902: Grover Cleveland* (D-OH)
1902-1904: William McKinley (D-NY)
1904-1908: Theodore Roosevelt (P-NY)
1909-1912: Eugene V. Debs (S-OR)
1912-1914: Woodrow Wilson*** (D-VA)
1914-1920: Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN)
1920-1924: Gilbert Nations+++ (C-MS)
1924-1928: William Earle 'Willie' Ladd (R-PA)
1928-1932: Herbert Hoover (R-NY)
1932-1944: Franklin Delano Roosevelt**** (D-NY)
1944-1946: Harry Truman* (D-MO)
1946-1948: Theodore 'Ted' Powell***** (R-MO)
1948-1955: Strom Thurmond****++ (DP-GA)
1955-1956: Estes Kefauver (SD-TN)
1956-1960: W. Averell Harriman++ (R-NY)
1960-1963: John F. 'Jack' Kennedy* (D-MA)
1963-1968: Lyndon Baines Johnson (D-TX)

1968-1972: Richard Nixon*** (R-CA)
1972-1973: James O. Eastland**** (R-MS)
Apr. 1973-Jan. 1974: Spiro Agnew** (R-MA)
1974-1976: John Anderson (R-IL)

1976-1980: Jimmy Carter (D-GA)
1980-1988: Robert Land(R-CA)
1988-1992: Paul Tsongas(D-MA)
1992-2000: Bill Clinton (D-AR)

2000-2004: George W. Bush (R-TX)
2004-2008: Willard 'Mitt' Romney (R-UT)

2008-2010: Ron Paul** (L-TX)
2010-2012: Ross Perot, Jr. (L-OK)


I'll add some footnotes when I can get around to them......maybe soon if you guys are interested enough. :cool:
 
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Supposedly among my ancestors is Brigham Young (Me and half of Utah :p) who was technically a President, and also territorial Governor of Utah. Him as President of the United States is probably ASB but if you could get an independent Deseret...

Of course, any such thing would almost certainly butterfly anyone even resembling me away.
 
My great-grandfather was a socialist mayor in a small village in Spain in the 1930s; that's not likely. Perhaps if the socialists took over and my mother's family never came to the US, he could have some outside chance of being Secretario General del Partido Socialisto en El Union de las Republicas Conciliares y Socialistas sometime between 2003 and now. That would surely butterfly me away, however.
My grandfather (his son-in-law) was Franco's food taster. He was 20 at the time though, and he never saw front-line combat, so there's not much opportunity there. Also, my socialist *uncle would have to hid his ties. Shouldn't be too hard, since he managed to pull strings and get his military record to disappear so he could immigrate back to the US (he could claim citizenship because he was born on US soil despite having moved back within a few months)

On the other side, I have some Russian (now technically Belarusian) socialists who came to America before the Bolshevik-Menshevik split. They were also Jews, though, so they probably won't be PM anywhere except Israel.
 
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My grand-uncle came from an upwardly mobile working-class family in Buffalo, NY. Both sons were aiming to go to college. My grandfather did, then went into journalism, later married a German woman, moved to Germany and took up work for the US Army as a librarian and education manager. But he says his older brother was always the more ambitious one. He was killed in Huertgen Forest in 1944.

If he had come back instead, gone to college on the GI Bill (which would make it easier than the days job-night school routine my grandfather had to do) and then gone into politics as a Cold War Democrat ... who knows, President Dempfle? But then, America's full of bright, ambitious young men. Chances are slim.

My mother's biological grandfather, though, might have stood a chance for high office in Germany. The family's been armigerous since 1294 and Prussian since 1864, and he was an Uhlan officer before he got caught on the infamous "Major's corner" and retired without further ambitions.
 
Okay, maybe I should post another list.

This is another example of what I wanted to see from people(with apologies to Premier Taylerov):

Presidents of the United States of America
1789: George Washington/John Adams (Independent)
1792: George Washington/George Clinton (Independent)
1796: John Jay/Stephen Van Rensselaer (Patriot)
1800: John Jay/Stephen Van Rensselaer (Patriot)
1804: Robert R. Livingston/Aaron Burr (Democratic-Republican)
1808: Stephen Van Rensselaer/John Tayler (Patriot)
1812: Thomas Jefferson/Aaron Burr (Democratic-Republican)
1816: Thomas Jefferson/James Monroe (Democratic-Republican)
1820: John Tayler/Andrew Jackson (Patriot)
1824: John Tayler/Andrew Jackson (Patriot)
1828: John Tayler/Andrew Jackson (Patriot)
1832: William H. Crawford/John Sergeant (Democratic-Republican)
1834: John Sergeant (Democratic-Republican)
1836: Thurlow Weed/William A. Palmer (Anti-Masonic)
1840: Thurlow Weed/William A. Palmer (Anti-Masonic)
1844: James K. Polk/Daniel Webster (National Patriot)
1848: James K. Polk/Daniel Webster (National Patriot)
1852: William A. Palmer/William H. Seward (Democratic-Republican)
1856: William H. Seward/John Adams Dix (Manifest)
1860: William H. Seward/John Adams Dix (Manifest)
1864: George B. McClellan/George H. Pendleton (Democratic-Republican)
1868: John C. Frémont/John Cochrane (Radical Manifest)
1872: John C. Frémont/John Cochrane (Radical Manifest)
1876: John C. Frémont/George Armstrong Custer (Radical Manifest)
1880: William Tecumseh Sherman/Edward Ord (Democratic-Constitutionalist)
1884: William Tecumseh Sherman/Charles Anderson (Democratic-Constitutionalist)
1888: George Armstrong Custer/Levi P. Morton (Radical Manifest)
1892: James B. Weaver/James Gaven Field (Populist)
1896: Thomas E. Watson/James Gaven Field (Populist)
1900: Cornelius Vanderbilt II/Garret Hobart (Radical Manifest)
1904: Cornelius Vanderbilt II/Russell A. Alger (Radical Manifest)
1908: Thomas E. Watson/Eugene V. Debs (Populist)
1912: Eugene V. Debs/Emil Seidel (New Populist)
1916: Eugene V. Debs/Emil Seidel (New Populist)
1920: Eugene V. Debs/Emil Seidel (New Populist)
1924: Stanley Finch/Charles Joseph Bonaparte (Conservative)
1928: Charles Joseph Bonaparte/William H. Moody (Conservative)
1932: Morris Hillquit/Devere Allen (Socialist)
1936: Morris Hillquit/Anna Bercowitz (Socialist)
1940: Henry A. Wallace/Charles L. McNary (Liberal-Constitutionalist)
1945: Charles L. McNary/Alben W. Barkley (Conservative)
1949: Strom Thurmond/Charles L. McNary (Liberal-Constitutionalist)
1953: Strom Thurmond/Daniel Hoan (Liberal-Constitutionalist)
1957: Charles Solomon/David P. Berenberg (Socialist)
1961: Norman Thomas/Marvin Mandel (Socialist)
1965: William F. Buckley/Spiro Agnew (Conservative)
1970: Spiro Agnew/Herbert Humphrey (Liberal-Constitutionalist)
1975: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (Conservative)
1980: John B. Anderson/Patrick Lucey (Independent)
1985: Harold Stassen/Ben Fernandez (Conservative)
1990: Ross Perot/James Stockdale (Independent)
1995: Ross Perot/James Stockdale (Corporative)
2000: Ross Perot/James Stockdale (Corporative)
2005: Donald Trump/Pat Buchanan (Corporative)
2010: John Hagelin/David Lynch (Labour)

Hopefully you guys understand the point of the thread now. ;)
 
My great-great-great grandfather was William Jennings Bryan. I don't know enough about that period to think of a specific POD, but I'm sure it's plausible enough for him to have won in one of his elections.
 
My great-great-great grandfather was William Jennings Bryan. I don't know enough about that period to think of a specific POD, but I'm sure it's plausible enough for him to have won in one of his elections.

That's a pretty cool tidbit there, Velkas. :) If you ever come up with a list like I did, I'd like to see it sometime. :D
 
my Great-Grandfather was born in the US, grew up in Ireland came back to the US, fought in WW1 before becoming a cop in suburban connecticut. Perhaps if he had gone into politics instead as a war hero and eventually become a more working class "poor mans JFK" he could have been elected as a Democrat.
 
my Great-Grandfather was born in the US, grew up in Ireland came back to the US, fought in WW1 before becoming a cop in suburban connecticut. Perhaps if he had gone into politics instead as a war hero and eventually become a more working class "poor mans JFK" he could have been elected as a Democrat.

Cool, man. If you have the time to come up with a list of Presidents with him in it, I'd be interested. ;)
 
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