York flood

[CaptainShadow]

But that was because Richard's actions, without him no one would even care.

He was pretty much invited to take the throne.
And a lot of people cared, Ric III was just a catalyst, the Woodvilles ticked off a lot of people.

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

He was pretty much invited to take the throne.
And a lot of people cared, Ric III was just a catalyst, the Woodvilles ticked off a lot of people

But still, Edward's line enjoyed significant support among Englishmen, it was Edwardians who contributed to Henry Tudor's ascension to the throne.

 

[CaptainShadow]

But still, Edward's line enjoyed significant support among Englishmen, it was Edwardians who contributed to Henry Tudor's ascension to the throne.

Ik that.

 

[kasumigenx]

If Henry remains married to Blanche, could Catarina actually marry Charles IV of Navarre? Would be interesting tbh if he had children before his death, his son would be IMHO a big trouble for Ferdinand of Aragon.

If Catarina has a son with Charles IV, Ferdinand of Aragon would marry Mary of Burgundy.

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

If Catarina has a son with Charles IV, Ferdinand of Aragon would marry Mary of Burgundy.

I think Juan II wouldn't like his grandson on the throne, and there would be civil war between Ferdinand and Charles's son.

 

[kasumigenx]

I think Juan II wouldn't like his grandson on the throne, and there would be civil war between Ferdinand and Charles's son.

possible, but he would marry Mary of Burgundy ittl, marrying Isabella is not realistic here, Charles' son would be a puppet of Louis XI..

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

possible, but he would marry Mary of Burgundy ittl, marrying Isabella is not realistic here..

If he even survived the civil war, than yes, he could. Also with Henry IV having a son, Isabella's marriage is not so important.

 

[kasumigenx]

If he even survived the civil war, than yes, he could. Also with Henry IV having a son, Isabella's marriage is not so important.

I think the best POD is for Alfonso, the brother of Juan to have a surviving issue.

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

I think the best POD is for Alfonso, the brother of Juan to have a surviving issue.

But I decided earlier that TTL's Henry IV sires son on Blanche of Navarre and these two remain married.

 

[Tyler96]

That's a lot of brothers to provide for. I imagine there'd be a fair emphasis on snaffling up available heiresses for at least some of them.

The likelihood that one of the brothers will mix the disloyalty of Clarence with some semblance of competence is also high.

 

[BlueFlowwer]

That's a lot of brothers to provide for. I imagine there'd be a fair emphasis on snaffling up available heiresses for at least some of them.

The likelihood that one of the brothers will mix the disloyalty of Clarence with some semblance of competence is also high.

I think that with so many older brothers, Richard could easily enter the church and rise to become archbishop of some part of England.

 

[CaptainShadow]

I think that with so many older brothers, Richard could easily enter the church and rise to become archbishop of some part of England.

I did suggest it, either him or George IMO.

York or Canterbury are the likeliest