Yogoslavian nuclear weapons.

Damn, that's an incredibly interesting POD.

I imagine we'd be looking at something small; probably no more than 100 or so weapons at the time of the collapse of the country. And how would nuclear weapons mix in? I imagine Serbia would love to hold on to theirs, but I don't know for certain.

One thing's for sure -- the probability of a nuclear terrorist attack in TTL is way higher.
 
Damn, that's an incredibly interesting POD.

I imagine we'd be looking at something small; probably no more than 100 or so weapons at the time of the collapse of the country. And how would nuclear weapons mix in? I imagine Serbia would love to hold on to theirs, but I don't know for certain.

One thing's for sure -- the probability of a nuclear terrorist attack in TTL is way higher.

I think that after Yugoslavia collapses the Western Powers would demand that it's successor states destroy their nuclear weapons.
 
I think that after Yugoslavia collapses the Western Powers would demand that it's successor states destroy their nuclear weapons.

Yeah, I'm positive that it would be demanded. But whether or not the Yugoslavian successor states just play lip service to the West is debatable, especially considering the state of that country at the time.
 
Main reason why program was scrapped were:
-it was to expensive,
-no delivery methods, additional funds for development of a heavy bomber or a IRBM
-conflicting Tito's policy of nonalignment and neutrality, and peaceful solutions.

Country quickly went in debt after '70es oil crisis. By mid 80es Yugo was almost bankrupt. Early to mid '70es are latest possible years where SFRY could afford to build a nuke, and most likely it would have been a dozen warheads at most.
 
I imagine we'd be looking at something small; probably no more than 100 or so weapons at the time of the collapse of the country. And how would nuclear weapons mix in? I imagine Serbia would love to hold on to theirs, but I don't know for certain.

SOF/SF move in try to take them out. Or F-117/B-2s do same
 
-no delivery methods, additional funds for development of a heavy bomber or a IRBM

not quite, Yugoslavia air industry workt on Mirage like Jet from 1985 to 1991
(with a little help of Dassault as technical consultants)

The Novi Avion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Avion
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,442.0/highlight,yugoslavia.html

i dont think Yugoslavia had capacity to build 100 A-bombs and a Aircraft to transport them.
only 25 - 35 A-bomb and small fleet Aircraft more likely

but most interesting question
had they used them in there civil war in 1991 ?
like on the City of Sarajevo ....
 

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I imagine that if Yougslavia had nukes, they would be pressured into selling them to either NATO or the EU when Yougoslavia collapsed.

I can't see them being use in the Balkans conflict, the external pressures would have been to great.

The Serbs, assuming its them who have the weapons, would probally get more of a free hand to do what they wanted to. The West would turn a blind eye to all sorts of attrocties as long as they could account for every single nuke.
 
wat about this

the Serbs in need of mony for the Civil war

they Sell the Nukes to highes offer :eek:

like to Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Birma, Cuba, Taiwan and the Taliban in Afghanistan
a scariest vision of a nuclear 9/11 ?
 
wat about this

the Serbs in need of mony for the Civil war

they Sell the Nukes to highes offer :eek:

like to Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Birma, Cuba, Taiwan and the Taliban in Afghanistan
a scariest vision of a nuclear 9/11 ?

Iraq and Iran are Muslim countries and therefore sympathetic to the Bosniaks; the latter even had some limited interest in the war. North Korea, Burma and Cuba are dirt-poor at this point. Yugoslavia wouldn't want to jeopardize its relations with China, so Taiwan is off. It's too early to sell to the Taliban and it would still be stupid if it wasn't.
 
Iraq and Iran are Muslim countries and therefore sympathetic to the Bosniaks; the latter even had some limited interest in the war. North Korea, Burma and Cuba are dirt-poor at this point. Yugoslavia wouldn't want to jeopardize its relations with China, so Taiwan is off. It's too early to sell to the Taliban and it would still be stupid if it wasn't.


It's pretty unlikely, but I think because they wouldn't sell them more than they couldn't find a buyer. Iraq and Iran may dislike supporting a country that's practicing genocide against Muslims, but they'd jump at the chance to practice genocide themselves.

Or at least prevent the other from buying and using it.
 
It would be interesting to know where the silos (or locations of bombs + bombers) for these nuclear weapons would be based... If there is a spread of weapons between Serbia and other parts of Yugoslavia then certainly - we could have a sort of mini MAD situation develop... Although I can not see the international community staying out of this particular civil war... I would imagine NATO, the EC, or the UN to quickly step in and either end the conflict - or secure the nuclear weapons.
 
It's pretty unlikely, but I think because they wouldn't sell them more than they couldn't find a buyer. Iraq and Iran may dislike supporting a country that's practicing genocide against Muslims, but they'd jump at the chance to practice genocide themselves.

Or at least prevent the other from buying and using it.

I didn't say they wouldn't buy, I said Yugoslavia wouldn't sell to them.

Do you REALLY think that matters?

Absolutely. You don't sell nukes to people who want you to lose. (And you don't piss of Russia, your biggest foreign supporter.)
 
Interestingly I've recently discovered this http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/alfa.htm

Sounds not only Yougoslovia thought about nuclear weapons : Italy and even Switzerland wanted this kind of weapons at the time.

So it seems that we would have a kind of european nucelar race in this case...

And they aren't the only ones. Sweden looked into the possibility, and designed a supersonic bomber to carry said weapons. Italy modified a cruiser to carry nuclear capable warheads, and pursued it's own program. Brazil and Argentina looked into the possibility in the 1970s. egypt had a program, and I think there were others, but the wikipedia page I had vanished, and I'm looking for a replacement source.
 
Interesting POD. Assuming that nuclear program did not bankrupt Yugoslavia (Israel seem to manage to pull this trick, after all), we have nuke-capable Yugoslavia by 1991. I don't see delivery as unsolvable problem. J-22 Orao could be used after 1978. As separatist tensions would start to heat up, JNA will rightfully see their nukes as their most precious asset. Therefore only selected most loyal officers would have access to it (therefore they should all remain under control of new Yugoslavia, a.k.a. Serbia and Montenegro). Then there're several possibilities. I don't think nukes will prevent breakup of Yugoslavia, but Serbs could manage to unite majority Serb areas of Bosnia and Croatia under the moniker of "New Yugoslavia" or whatever. And I don't see Monica War of 1999 happening.
 
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