Yet another...Map Challenge!!

Time for another Map Challenge!

This one is from 1962 in an ATL...

The POD has to be before 1910...

I may do a TL with some of the best ideas at some point... :D

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POD - 1859

The death of Walther Freiherr von Lüttwitz, one of the chief organizers of the Freikorps and one of the chief suppressors of the German communist party in the post-World War One era dies during birth. The Communist Party takes Germany.

- Or -

Maybe a German victory in WWI followed by a communist revolution during the Great Depression.
 
Yeah, i thought so aswell. A german communist state would surely support the communist is spain instead of franco, so we have this problem solved aswell-but the south american states? How are they going to be communist without the force of a communist superpower?
 
Hmm, the autocracy of Peru, the autocracy of Chile ?

So Red Central and Eastern Europe but the multiparty democracy of Russia...

Maybe an earlier Entente victory in WW1 ?

Grey Wolf
wolf heat !
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that World War 1 was avoided entirely, judging by pre-Great War borders for both Germany and Austria-Hungary. Russia became democratic, and held on to Finland and Central Asia.

China's situation appears to be reversed. The Kuomintang won out, and Mao and the Communists fled to Taiwan.

Just some quick ideas.
 
tetsu-katana said:
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that World War 1 was avoided entirely, judging by pre-Great War borders for both Germany and Austria-Hungary. Russia became democratic, and held on to Finland and Central Asia.

Ah good points, I'm dumb

No way would France have let Germany keep Alsace-Lorraine if there HAD been a war

Grey Wolf
 
I got a basic scenario. For whatever reason, World War 1 was avoided in it's entirety. Due to this, the Ottoman Empire survived, but gradually lost it's Arabian territory (while it held onto Mesopotamia).

In Europe, the Central and Eastern European nations gradually fell to Communism. France and Britain lead a "Democratic Bloc" in opposition to the surrounding Communist powers of Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Spain.

In Russia, the lack of a devastating Great War transformed the nation- very much for the better. The Czar gradually looses power and becomes a figurehead, while the elected Duma (parliament) rules the nation through the people.

In China, the lack of a Communist superpower (USSR) nearbby for funding brought Mao and his Communists to their knees. After being brutally defeated by the Kuomintang, they fled to the island of Taiwan and established the tiny People's Republic of China.

I could get that much, but I don't really know what a definitive POD, prior to 1910, could be.
 
Given that France is a limited democracy, one could see the surviving Second Empire there. An alternative would be an Orleanist restoration, in cahoots with their psudo-fascist allies. But one assumes that 1870-71 has to happen, as the German Empire exists and includes Alsace-Lorraine...

Grey Wolf
 
Hmm... maybe the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand wasn't comitted by a serbian Nationalist, but by an austrian Communist, alongside with an attempted coup d'etat in Vienna.
In the following chaos (civil war in Austria between Loyalist an Communist forces and maybe some national movements, german and russian Troops intervening on their respective sides), the Revolution spreads to Germany and Russia (maybe some other countries, too).
France might want to interfere, but they may have riots in their land, too, so there's no WWI but something like the :mad: Great Red Uprising :mad: or whatever. While Russia (with french and british help) manages to suppress the Revoution and becomes a Democracy, Germany an AH become Communist nations. Italy follows in the early 20s (just like in OTL, but here it's a communist takeover).
Still it's a little bit strange, that AH wouldn't break up, but there are two possible reasons (not that they may be realistic, I'm just trying to make som kind of patchwork-ideas here :eek: ):
1.: the "Zentralkomitte" is somehow so benevolent, that the ethnic groups don't want to leave the Austria-Hungary Union of Socialist Republics (AHUSR :D )
2. (and more likely): due to heavy garrisons (maybe with additional troops from Germany and even Italy) they simply don't have any chance of uprising.

So far my first Ideas (even if they might be far-fetched I hope they're not too improbable so thas only ASBs could have make them happen)
I'm still quite inexperienced in this matter, even if it's one of my Hobbies.
 
AH isn't a nation-state in the way we know of them today. It's across between a nation-state and a confederation of smaller nation's - the regions have much greater autonomy than anything in OTL (think German Free Trade Area before Unification?).
 
Justin Pickard said:
AH isn't a nation-state in the way we know of them today. It's across between a nation-state and a confederation of smaller nation's - the regions have much greater autonomy than anything in OTL (think German Free Trade Area before Unification?).

Hmm, if its Communist what does this really mean ? Its very interesting to read about the Eastern European nations' communist parties in the 1940s, both during the war and immediately after. For example, there was a plan to unite Yugoslavia and Bulgaria as a communist entity, after all under Communist ideology ethnicity ought not to matter. The co-operation that this plan engendered also played out in the Greek civil war. But in the end national interests, especially with Tito, prevented anything coming from this, and the way that the other Eastern European countries went anyway its unlikely to have happened as they retained their individual identity.

However, I see in this the possibility for ethnic elements within a greater foundation to continue to have great autonomy. Thus, I see your AH communist federation with meaningful autonomy as not being as far-fetched as it may seem when we think of the USSR as an example

Grey Wolf
 
Where's the map from?

Justin Pickard said:
Time for another Map Challenge!

This one is from 1962 in an ATL...

The POD has to be before 1910...

I may do a TL with some of the best ideas at some point... :D

Where did you get the pre WWI map from?
 
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