Yeni Tarih

Yeni Tarih: Part One
This is named in Turkish but is not about Turkey.
7000 BCE:
-Domestication of Wild Boars in China.
-Domestication of Rice.

6000 BCE:
-Chinese Heiroglyphs are first used.
-Domestication of Dogs.
-A species of Chicken is first brought to China.

5000 BCE:
-Domestication of Sheep.
-First known use of Oxen.

4000 BCE:
-Transition from Hieroglyphs to a Primitive Alphabet.

3300 BCE:
-The People of "Mongolia" first use Horse-Back Riding.

2000 BCE:
-The First Era of Kingdoms starts.
-Around this time, The Kingdoms of Gysen, Hysein, and Lyrian are established around OTL Shandong Province.

1975 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Hysein is annexed by the Kingdom of Lyrian.
-The Kingdom of Kyprian is established near OTL Hangzhou.

1950 BCE:
-The Ulian Kingdom is established in South Korea.

1925 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Gysen successfully wins a war against the Manchurian Tribes in Liaoning, and then the Kingdom of Lyrian, taking over much of the territory that was part of the Kingdom of Hysein.

1900 BCE:
-With the Kingdom of Gysen involved against the Northern Tribes, the Kingdom of Lyrian invades the Kingdom of Kyprian and wins. The southern parts of the Kingdom of Kyprian are taken over by the newly founded Kingdom of Lysen, based around Fuzhou. The Kingdom of Kyrpian is left as a Rump State.
 
1832 BCE:

-Records show that Sobin "The Great" rises to the throne of Gysen on this date.

1820: BCE:

-Sobin The Great defeats and subjugates the nearby Mongols, Manchus, and the Koreans (including the Ulian Kingdom).

1814 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Lyrian is defeated and is turned into a tributary state by Sobin the Great.

1808 BCE:

-Sobin the Great defeats both the Kingdom of Lysen and the Kingdom of Kyrpian. The Kingdom of Lysen Remains Independant.

1800 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Salien is established near Macau.

1799 BCE:

-Sobin the Great catches an illness and dies, but before dying divides the Gysen Empire into four Provinces, each ruled by one of his Generals. One Rules the old lands of the Gysen Kingdom, the second one rules over the Coastal Lands of Lyrian, the third rules over Krypian and Northern Lysen, and the final one rules over inland Lyrian.

-The First Era of Kingdoms Ends.
 
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The Age of the Empire.

19th-18th Centuries BCE:
-The Gysen ideas spread across China.

1745 BCE:
-The Ruler of The Lyrian Province launches a coup of the Kingdom of Lyrian, recreating the Kingdom of Lyrian.

1740 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Lyrian launches an invasion of the Coastal Lyrian Provinces, taking it over from the Gysen Empire.

1732 BCE:
-The Manchu Qarate is Established, which takes over the Liaoning region from The Gysen Empire.

1722 BCE:
-The last Province loyal to Gysen, Krypian, declares independence.

1710 BCE:
-The Ulian Kingdom is able to take over the entire Korean Peninsula.

1702 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Lysen conquers most of The Kingdom of Krypian yet again.

1680 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Lysen conquers the OTL Chinese province of Jiangxi.
 
-The First Era of Kingdoms Ends.

Does it make me a terrible person that I read this as "The First Era of Ponies* Ends"?

Less amusingly, could you elaborate on what these places are and how this is at all different than OTL?

*: Anyone who starts getting into making jokes about anything other than my eyesight or reading comprehension will be treated appropriately.
 
Less amusingly, could you elaborate on what these places are and how this is at all different than OTL?

A. OTL there was only one State in China at this time.

B. That state was in Northern China.

C. That state used Chinese Characters.

D. Times of Domestication have been Tweaked.

E. Korea never had a polity at this time.

F. There was not a Khanate at this Time.

G. The Mongols are a bit stronger earlier.
 
A. OTL there was only one State in China at this time.

B. That state was in Northern China.

C. That state used Chinese Characters.

D. Times of Domestication have been Tweaked.

E. Korea never had a polity at this time.

F. There was not a Khanate at this Time.

G. The Mongols are a bit stronger earlier.

Interesting. Thank you.
 

Hendryk

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A. OTL there was only one State in China at this time.

B. That state was in Northern China.

C. That state used Chinese Characters.
The difficulty of writing a TL that begins this far back in the past is finding a suitable POD, since we have only a general idea of the course of events. Jared masterfully overcame this in "Lands of Red and Gold" by having the POD be unrelated to human activity, namely the chance mutation of an Australian plant. In the case of this TL, how do you justify Chinese proto-history taking a different course? This might need some more detailing.

In particular, what prompts the adoption of a different writing system? In OTL, Chinese characters were evolved from the pictograms drawn on bones and turtle shells by royal seers. What happens in TTL to preempt this development?

Note that in 7000 BCE the Peiligang culture was already around, complete with the cultivation of millet and the raising of pigs.
The Mongols are a bit stronger earlier.
The Mongols didn't exist as a people until about the 3rd century CE, and at the time they lived in the Amur valley. In the second millennium BCE the Mongolian steppes were inhabited by the Karasuk culture.
 
The difficulty of writing a TL that begins this far back in the past is finding a suitable POD, since we have only a general idea of the course of events. Jared masterfully overcame this in "Lands of Red and Gold" by having the POD be unrelated to human activity, namely the chance mutation of an Australian plant. In the case of this TL, how do you justify Chinese proto-history taking a different course? This might need some more detailing.

I was contemplating what I should do as the P.O.D. my Idea was a westwards or southwards movement of Afanasevo people, Karasuk, Mongols, etc. which I forgot to put in.



In particular, what prompts the adoption of a different writing system? In OTL, Chinese characters were evolved from the pictograms drawn on bones and turtle shells by royal seers. What happens in TTL to preempt this development?

Roll of the Dice with the P.O.D. . Every single Nation other than China`s neighbors replaced Logograms/Pictograms with other systems of writing. Yuan China, Tibet, Mongolia and Korea did. The Ancient Egyptians did this a little bit also, with the Hieratic Script.


Note that in 7000 BCE the Peiligang culture was already around, complete with the cultivation of millet and the raising of pigs.

The Events before 2000 BCE are marked by the Millennium after them. 7999-7000 is in 7000 BCE, 6999-6000 in 6000 BCE.


The Mongols didn't exist as a people until about the 3rd century CE, and at the time they lived in the Amur valley. In the second millennium BCE the Mongolian steppes were inhabited by the Karasuk culture.

Thank you for informing me.
 
The Second Age of Kingdoms

1660 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Lysen subjugates the Taiwanese.

1643 BCE:
-Geysen`s internal administration falls apart, and the Manchurian Qarate steps in and demands vassalage from the King of Geysen.

1620`s BCE:
-A full Civil War breaks loose in the Kingdom of Lyrian, between the Old King`s Successor and the General `s Supporters. The Old King wins, but the civil war damages control of Lyrian`s western frontier.

1600 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Ugriou is established in Western Japan.

1597 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Salian conquers Hanoi and northern Vietnam.
 
1550`s BCE:

-The Manchu Qarate falls apart from within, with there recession from Geysen, Kesyik (between Beijing and Liaoning) and Yusen (in Shanxi, Shaanxi, and Inner Mongolia) are founded from the rubble.

1543 BCE:

-Salian loses control of Hanoi, being replaced by the new Kingdom of Khufin.

-The Kingdom of Ugriou breaks into many city states.

1533 BCE:

-Lysen declares war on the still brittle state of Lyrian.

1529 BCE:

-Lysen defeats Lyrian, and annexes all of Lyrian`s land south of the Yangtze River.

1514 BCE:

-The Ulian Kingdom establishes control of OTL Hiroshima and Nagasaki, starting the Korean Conquest of Japan.

1501 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Chen`en is established in the Sichuan Basin.
 
1493 BCE:
-The Ulian Kingdom conquers the rest of Kyushu.

1480`s BCE:
-The Collapse of The Kingdom of Lysen.
-The Kingdom of Krypian is re-established, and takes over northern Lysen.
-The Kingdom of Issen is established North of Hong-Kong.

1462 BCE:

-A series of Defeats destroys the power of the Kingdom of Salian, which is taken advantage of by Issen and Khufin.

1450`s BCE:

-The Kingdom of Yusen adopts a decentralized, provincial system of government.

1443 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Ulian establishes control over western Shikoku.
 
1425 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Yusen subjugates the western people of Gansu and Qinghai.

1399 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Yusen invades the Kingdom of Kesyik, leading to full annexation of the region.

1392 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Geysen falls to the Kingdom of Yusen.

1390 BCE:

-The Ulian Kingdom continues its advance, and takes over OTL Osaka.

1388 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Yusen launches an assault on Lyrian, annexing the Northern border Regions.

1384 BCE:

-Krypian takes advantage of Lyrian and also takes a slice of the pie.
 
1376 BCE: The Hekik Qarate is Established.

1360`s BCE: The Hekik Qarate pillages the northern regions of The Kingdom of Yusen.

1358 BCE: The Yusen Empire breaks into civil war, allowing the Hekik Qarate to take over Kesyik.

1354 BCE: The Kingdom of Lyrian re-establishes its power with a series of victories over the Yusen Empire.

1348 BCE: The Kingdom of Krypian loses its gains against Lyrian.

1342 BCE: The New Kingdom of Geysen is established.

1338 BCE: The Kingdom of Khusen is established in Gansu and Qinghai.

1321 BCE: The Kingdom of Khusen breaks apart into Fiefdoms.

1316 BCE: The Kingdom of Issen loses against the Kingdom of Lysen, which takes over Hong-Kong.

1304 BCE: The Kingdom of Salian is forced into a duchy of the Kingdom of Khufin.

1300 BCE: By this Point in time, the Dalian Kingdom has conquered Tokyo.
 
1300 BCE:
-First known use of Iron tools in Issen.

1286 BCE:

-The Salian War. The Kingdom of Issen, invades the kingdom of Khufin, and wins, conquering all of Salian except for Hainan Island.

1280 BCE:

-Pesan is established in the fiefdoms of Khusen.

1276 BCE:
-The Kingdom of Issen invades the kingdom of Lysen, taking over much of the countries rural lands, where many flee for the Philippines, a colony of Lysen.

1270 BCE:

-Fukushima is conquered by the Dalian Kingdom.

1266 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Lysen is invaded by the Kingdom of Issen again, and all of its continental territory is annexed.

1260 BCE:

-The Kingdom of Issen invades the Kingdom of Krypian, and quickly annexes it.
 
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Interesting so far.
Any chance of a map so we can see how everything looks?


This is it:..

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