WWIII: Germany can't Unite

World War 3

October 2, 1990: The USSR and the West Germans come to a disagreement, leading to the intervention of Czechoslovakia into the big deal, of which reunification would happen tomorrow, but it doesn't. The Czech President along with the Slovakian Governor decided to cancel reunification.

October 4, 1990: Germany declares war on East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, and the USSR, also known as the Warsaw Pact. NATO hasn't responded, but the West Germans have pushed back the Pact by about 3.5 kilometres, and have nearly lost West Berlin.

October 17, 1990: The French President urges the Legislature to declare war on the Pact, but what this results in is that Finland declares war on West Germany, and the rest of Scandinavia.

October 21, 1990: The German-Finnish-French forces are defeated at Oslo, but win in major sites like Gdansk and West Berlin.

November 1, 1990: Italian Prime Minister tells Parliament to take the side of the Soviets. The war bill passes, and the Italians have to march through Neutral or Axis territory to get to Germany.

November 13, 1990: The Italian forces meet French in Geneva, current losses are 15 hundred.

November 15, 1990: The USSR do the undoable; they threaten to nuke Bonn.

November 20, 1990: George H. W. Bush gets the Declaration of War on Russia passed, of which will keep the USSR in shape.

December 2, 1990: Italy wins in BOTH Geneva and Monaco, scoring a record-high for the war 12.3 thousand, of the opponents 15.1 thousand.

December 14, 1990: The United States invades USSR's Far Eastern territory. Also, Germany fight Poland in Gdansk again, in Oslo, they beat Norway AND Sweden, and in East Berlin, they started a battle with the Easterns, which the casualties amount to 1,092 combined.

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Needs tidying up - its a bit confusing as to who is fighting who and why

In 1991 - Norway and Italy were (if I am not mistaken) part of Nato and Italy is a member of the EU while Norway is closely aligned. Don't see either declaring war vs West Germany or a reunified Germany

Also Sweden is a Western Aligned Neutral Nation so again not going to fight West Germany.

And Finland? I always saw them as pro western Neutral but fully aware that they share a boarder with the USSR - Can they project power in such a way to threaten Germany - they have no border with Germany and very light coastal forces.

If fighting is happening in Berlin then you suck in the British, French and US Brigades that Garrison West Berlin - also on that subject Both Britain and the US had very powerful forces in Western Germany at the time (as well as Dutch and Belgium forces) what are they doing while this is happening?
 
Honestly, this sounds like nothing so much as the revised timeline for the old roleplaying game Twilight: 2000. The first incarnation of the game, coming out in the late 1980s, had the plausible scenario of a wider NATO-Warsaw Pact war coming about as a result of an attempt at German unification made while the Soviet Union was distracted by a war with China. The revised timeline, produced after the fall of the Berlin Wall, less plausibly had German interest in Polish regions with German minorities lead to a German war with a Warsaw Pact that remained united by a fear of Germany. Italy, a wild card, largely threw itself into war alongside the Soviets to try to even the odds.
 
And Finland? I always saw them as pro western Neutral but fully aware that they share a boarder with the USSR - Can they project power in such a way to threaten Germany - they have no border with Germany and very light coastal forces.

Finland would not declare war to anyone. The Finnish government would only recognize that the nation is at the state of war if and when foreign units attack Finnish units on Finnish soil or in Finnish waters or airspace. Finland can't really project power with its Cold War military, because said military was not designed for power-projection but simply for defence inside the national borders and on the nearby sea areas.
 
Finland would not declare war to anyone. The Finnish government would only recognize that the nation is at the state of war if and when foreign units attack Finnish units on Finnish soil or in Finnish waters or airspace. Finland can't really project power with its Cold War military, because said military was not designed for power-projection but simply for defence inside the national borders and on the nearby sea areas.
I think he is thinking YYA treaty. First article says we should go war with Germany if soviets are attacked.
 
I think he is thinking YYA treaty. First article says we should go war with Germany if soviets are attacked.

Strictly speaking, the YYA/FCMA treaty's first article says that Finland must defend itself if it is attacked by Germany or its allies, or if the USSR is attacked via the Finnish area by Germany or its allies. Therefore, purely on the treaty alone, Finland is not expected to declare war on (West) Germany only if there is a state of war between (West) Germany and the USSR. This is why I wrote about Finland recognizing that a state of war exists only when it actually gets attacked. In the case of WWIII breaking out, in a realistic case which the OP is not, Finland would stall taking part in the war and declaring war on anyone as long as possible. Accepting that a war exists, especially the threat of invasion, would give the Soviets so much leverage over the Finnish government and military that it will be avoided vehemently. I see the Finnish government even closing its eyes to multiple incursions into the Finnish airspace and waters just to stay officially out of the war as long as it can.
 
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Strictly speaking, the YYA/FCMA treaty's first article says that Finland must defend itself if it is attacked by Germany or its allies, or if the USSR is attacked via the Finnish area by Germany or its allies. Therefore, purely on the treaty alone, Finland is not expected to declare war on (West) Germany only if there is a state of war between (West) Germany and the USSR. This is why I wrote about Finland recognizing that a state of war exists only when it actually gets attacked. In the case of WWIII breaking out, in a realistic case which the OP is not, Finland would stall taking part in the war and declaring war on anyone as long as possible. I see the Finnish government even closing its eyes to multiple incursions into the Finnish airspace and waters just to stay officially out of the war as long as it can.
Yes but I supose thats were the OP got the idea. Of course it is only slighly less ASB than East German invasion of Finland and subsequent soviet-soviet war.
 

James G

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Buddy, this isn't how you write a war scenario.
Casualties are far from the scores you declare them as.
Also, is there still Axis territory in 1990?
 
October 2, 1990: The USSR and the West Germans come to a disagreement, leading to the intervention of Czechoslovakia into the big deal, of which reunification would happen tomorrow, but it doesn't. The Czech President along with the Slovakian Governor decided to cancel reunification.

Check your grammar 'cause I'm not understanding your sentence.

What is the nature of this disagreement between Germany and the USSR? The USSR was nearly bankrupt at this point and on the brink of dissolution, they needed West German financial help to survive. And Gorbachev isn't the man to upset plans one day before German reunification.
Which reunification doesn't happen?
Why does Czechoslovakia intervene while they have enough internal problems?
Why does Czechoslovakia support the USSR? Czechoslovakia already had a democratic pro-western government at this point in 1990.
Who is the governor of Slovakia? Such an office never existed IIRC.

October 4, 1990: Germany declares war on East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, and the USSR, also known as the Warsaw Pact. NATO hasn't responded, but the West Germans have pushed back the Pact by about 3.5 kilometres, and have nearly lost West Berlin.

Here your scenario is becoming insane.
First, East Germany was ruled by the CDU at this point, the same party ruling West Germany. Why should West Germany declare war on an allied government?
Second, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania too already had democratic governments (or at least Round Tables between the communist and democratic parties) and were staunchly opposed to Soviet domination. The Warsaw Pact still existed, but it had long become meaningless.
Third, the USSR has, as I already said, enough internal problems.
Fourth, West Germany (especially a man like Kohl) would do nothing without the agreement of NATO.
Fifth, it isn't that easy to declare war. You have to convoke the German parliament which has then to agree to the declaration of war.
Sixth, I doubt East German soldiers would even shoot at the Bundeswehr.

October 17, 1990: The French President urges the Legislature to declare war on the Pact, but what this results in is that Finland declares war on West Germany, and the rest of Scandinavia.

The French were scared of German reunification, for economic and even military reasons. I doubt there would go to war with whole eastern Europe to secure German reunification.

And why should Finland declare war on Germany? (They too had internal problems, especially economic ones, related to the downfall of the Soviet Union).

And what does the rest of Scandinavia does? Declare war on Germany or on Finland?

October 21, 1990: The German-Finnish-French forces are defeated at Oslo, but win in major sites like Gdansk and West Berlin.

I thought the Finns were fighting against Germany? Now they are allied with the Germans and French!

November 1, 1990: Italian Prime Minister tells Parliament to take the side of the Soviets. The war bill passes, and the Italians have to march through Neutral or Axis territory to get to Germany.

I see that you aren't familiar with Italian politics. Italian governments are very unstable, and instead of doing what the Prime Minister tells them the Italian MPs would most likely vote the government out of office.

Also, if they are at war with Germany, they are also at war with France, so they don't have to march through any neutral territory if they want to fight.

November 15, 1990: The USSR do the undoable; they threaten to nuke Bonn.

Which drugs the USSR government actually took to take such decisions?

November 20, 1990: George H. W. Bush gets the Declaration of War on Russia passed

On Russia? I thought that the USSR still exists? Or did it disappeared when they heard that they would have to fight with the Italians?

of which will keep the USSR in shape.

Again, grammar (or language in general) is causing some understanding problems.
 
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Taake a good, hard look at the (West) German constitution, specifically the part about outlawing wars of aggression (also covered in our criminal code). Take another look at the NATO treaty details.

Then shitcan this and try to think up a more plausible German-screw.

I am outta here.
 
Sorry but like others have already pointed, there is not much sense. Too many implausibilities and ASB things. This not work without very early POD.
 
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