WWII Leaders in CP Victory Scenario

What would become of the following leaders in a CP victory scenario, assuming a sort of reverse versailles (harsh conditions imposed on the Entente)?

Hitler
Mussolini
Stalin
Chamberlain
Churchill
FDR
De-Gaulle
Petain
Mao
Chiang Kai-Shek
Hirohito
Tojo
Yamamoto
Josip Broz Tito
 
Hitler would keep a career in the army(he say a lot loved his time in the army and if he is half-competent would have one) and not drabble in politics at all, if discharge, maybe doing poster for a conservative party and not being more that card-carying member, all the seed for him have been butterfly away.

Mussolini Depend about italy but he comes from a victorious one so...50/50 depend a lot of other residual butterflies.

Stalin ditto what happen in russia, maybe not come, maybe death if the white wins, wagging guerilla against white,etc.


Chamberlain: He would have a good career as not munich-appaseament policies but depend how britain weather a 'defeat' or 'negotiated victory' conservatives will take a while comeback

Churchill: blame about gallipolli and if conservatives are punished along liberals his career would be over, maybe focus in literature

FDR: depend about USA and his health, i can imagine two term at most ITTL.

De-Gaulle: Besided the Cliche of revanchist france, he will be angry how france lost the war, a lot what happen petain and france would mark his path.

Petain: he will be like De Gaulle furious of the war, maybe lead a conservative coup if france political situation deteriorated? possible and will be remember fondly and the few general in WW1 with victories...in few words the french Hidenburg

Mao: Depend what happen and if germany openly support nationalist...he would be killed in battle or when captured

Chiang Kai-Shek: depend what happen post war china and if germany support nationalist even more that otl. Possible the leader an unify china

Hirohito: A puppet and like that OTL.

Tojo: Possible if japan political affairs deteriorated, even with a nominal 'loss' will be like otl, gripes with yamamoto.

Yamamoto: Like otl, maybe even more griped with Tojo

Josip Broz Tito
 
Hitler would keep a career in the army (he say a lot loved his time in the army...

He'd be useless in a peacetime army which would be greatly reduced from wartime levels. He might wangle a job in the German occupation government of Belgium or Poland or wherever

Mussolini Depend about italy but he comes from a victorious one so...50/50 depend a lot of other residual butterflies.

He'd have an even better chance of taking over, as Italy would be even more disgruntled.

Stalin ditto what happen in russia, maybe not come, maybe death if the white wins, wagging guerilla against white,etc.

Continues his radical career until killed by whatever puppet government Germany installs in Russia.

Chamberlain: He would have a good career as not munich-appaseament policies but depend how britain weather a 'defeat' or 'negotiated victory' conservatives will take a while comeback

As in OTL, enters Parliament after the war, is in government at various times. May become PM eventually.

Churchill: blame about gallipolli and if conservatives are punished along liberals his career would be over, maybe focus in literature

Churchill was a Liberal during WW I; he did not "re-rat" until 1923. The Liberals came out of the war as the party of victory, and then collapsed five years later. If the war is lost, they go down in flames at once. Churchill probably leaves. Whether he can get back into the Conservatives is another question.

FDR: depend about USA and his health, i can imagine two term at most ITTL.

If the U.S. stays out, then he never becomes Asst Sec of Navy, and isn't nominated for VP in 1920. But the entire course of U.S. politics is so drastically altered that his career can't be forecast.

De Gaulle...
Might be killed in the war.

If he survives, he may become an advocate of military reform. However, it is also likely that victorious Germany forces France to reduce its army. OTOH, he had staff and teaching positions, and might be part of the retained cadre. In defeated France, his radical ideas might get a lot better reception.

Petain: ...the French Hindenburg...
Only if he doesn't lose the key battles.

Chiang Kai-Shek: depend what happen post war china and if germany support nationalist even more that otl. Possible the leader an unify china

A China-Germany alliance is quite possible. A CP victory prevents a USSR, which therefore will not be competing for influence in China.

Yamamoto: Like otl...
Pretty much, unless a major Pacific war breaks out before say 1935.

Josip Broz Tito
Radical anti-Austrian activist. Or emigrant to the U.S.
 
I think the answer could depend on how exactly WWI ends. Lets say Russia collapses in 1917 like OTL. In the west the US doesn't enter the war and Germany does better on the western front and the UK and France are forced to ask for peace. Germany gets reparations from France as well as some territory and also annexes Luxembourg and some Belgium areas. The UK gets off easier and agrees to return German overseas colonies.

Hitler - Most likely the Nazis never come to power. Post WW1 Germany won't have as many economic problems making it less likely a radical government can take power. Maybe he is able to stay in the Army and is stationed in one of the annexed territories and eventually retires as a sergeant and dies of Parkinson's in 1960.

Mussolini - He has a chance to still come to power, Italy would be on the losing side of WWI making it possible for the fascists to take power.

Stalin - I think he could also come to power, the remnants of Russia after the Brest-Litovsk would likely still have a civil war. The White Russians will probably get even less aid from the defeated entente and loses.

Chamberlain - The UK will be embarrassed after WWI since they basically lost their influence on continental Europe. Most likely they would then focus on their empire. Chamberlain didn't have any involvement in WWI that would effect his political career. It is possible he still winds up as prime minister.

Churchill - The butterflies of this WWI might lead to Churchill never getting back into politics in the late 1930s.

FDR - The USA would also be drastically different, never entering into WWI would make for a very different country. He was in politics prior to the POD, so it is possible he still winds up president.

De-Gaulle - France would be drastically different, a radically different government such as communists or fascists could take power. It is possible De-Gaulle could continue in the Army. But there might be too many butterflies for him to ever wind up the leader of France like OTL.

Petain - The loss of WWI probably means he is disgraced and never amounts to anything after the war.

Mao - It is hard to predict the scene in China. I could see them still being invaded by Japan at some point. The communists might have less support, the USSR would be smaller and weaker in this timeline.

Chiang Kai-Shek - He might still wind up in the same position, perhaps allied with Germany who would be seeking influence in the pacific.

Hirohito - His life probably isn't much different. It's possible Japan eventually runs into problems with the USA at some point.

Tojo - After WWI Japan probably doesn't receive any harsh terms, Germany likely gets its Pacific colonies. I think Japan could still get into trouble with the US and UK. If they turn southward they will run into the Philippines and the UK would also be likely to put more resources into containing Japan since after losing their influence in Europe they don't want to get kicked out of the Pacific too. Japan still loses a war against the US/UK and Tojo winds up dead afterwards.

Yamamoto - Same as Tojo, he might be killed at some point in the Japan vs US/UK war or tried for some sort of war criminal offense afterwards, probably not as harshly as Tojo.

Josip Broz Tito - It is possible Austria-Hungary still falls apart and he has a chance to gain power in Yugoslavia.
 
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