WWII lasts into 1948: German Weapons Technology

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This is my "This is possible how?!!?" face.

LOL. Just LOL. Its the ***magic*** of napkinwaffe. It defies your puny logic and reason... Or something like that.

I love the two A-bombs 'lost' over Germany..... Hmm, can the dreaded 'no backup plan!' be far behind?
 
LOL. Just LOL. Its the ***magic*** of napkinwaffe. It defies your puny logic and reason... Or something like that.

I'm afraid to ask what napkinwaffe is. It sounds like an unusually delusional form of insanity.

...honestly, the whole Third Reich seems to be the triumph of madness over reason. Axiswin timelines seem to forget that weakness...or succumb to it themselves. Germany is facing longer odds than in WWI, and with worse leadership. How it made it to 1945 is pretty impressive.

I love the two A-bombs 'lost' over Germany..... Hmm, can the dreaded 'no backup plan!' be far behind?
:rolleyes: Sufficient to say, the Allies have to be beyond stupid for this whole timeline.
 
German innovation is irrelevant if by 1948 all of its big three enemies remain meaningfully in the war. Changes in German technology and strategy only matter i8f the POD is before the war, the war itsel is delayed, or the Soviets are out of the war.
 
I'm afraid to ask what napkinwaffe is. It sounds like an unusually delusional form of insanity.

Stir a whole piece of napkinwaffe into the Wank pot, mix in with a few atomic spices, some VX herbs and heavy meat broths of SCIENCE! and Aryan-win. Serve well.

Elfwine said:
...honestly, the whole Third Reich seems to be the triumph of madness over reason. Axiswin timelines seem to forget that weakness...or succumb to it themselves. Germany is facing longer odds than in WWI, and with worse leadership. How it made it to 1945 is pretty impressive.

They had several lucky streaks in their early years. It also helped that militarily their tactical level was superb in foundation.

But those alone don't help you win against 75% of the world's industrial powers combined.

Elfwine said:
:rolleyes: Sufficient to say, the Allies have to be beyond stupid for this whole timeline.

1936: Germans invent Draka virus.

1940: Before attack on France, German agents worldwide deploy Draka Virus on the Allied nations.

1944:???

1948: TEN THOUSAND GERMAN REICH YEARS!
 
1936: Germans invent Draka virus.

1940: Before attack on France, German agents worldwide deploy Draka Virus on the Allied nations.

1944:???

1948: TEN THOUSAND GERMAN REICH YEARS!

This is so much more plausible than what wrote Wyragen-TXRG4P I could cry.
 
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This is my "This is possible how?!!?" face.

I'm putting this in the Computer Game Generated Timelines folder, personally. And not for generic wankery - but for instance, where the hell is Germany getting four million men like that in this timeline's 1944?

German military and industrial capacity is so overrated its not even funny. Meanwhile, the Allies are apparently unable to do anything to hinder it. The token "the German military is strained and Hitler is forced to declare total war sooner than OTL" misses so many things getting in the way of this scenario it would have been better to not include it.

Operation Barbarossa was 3 millions and something so.

1) Axis forces in the east front was pretty big, here it is turned south, then west. Approx 90% of German forces in 1942 where engaged against the Soviet-Union.

2) United States enters the war much later.

3) Only after February 1943, was German economy fully mobilised, it increased massively in 44 and up to the last two months of war in europe.

4) Germany had oil shortage, problems for industry and couldn´t use blitzkrieg to its full potential. Italian industry had even larger oil shortage. Here, the oil shortage is solved with Caucase and Iraq oil.

5) Industrial capacities of smaller axis powers was never harmonised with Germany.

6) German military in 1939 was being prepared for a land-grabe against the Soviet-Union and Poland, rather than a war against industrial powers, warplans against France where the ones from 1914 with then-modern settings. Still won in less than a year.

7) Soviet-Union entering the war in 1940 makes it weaker in the long run, it was an all-or-nothing thing, Stalin would have won if Ploesti oilfields where destroyed.
Hitler establish a puppet governement unlike IOTL, which relieves much occupation pressure.

8) Later in the war, the axis have much better experience.

9) Victory? Much of Germany is devastated and a +10 millions strong allied force may strike from the east, hundreds of atomic bombs would be detonated in that case.
 
Guys, you're missing the point of this thread. The way I see it, this is a thought experiment.
So throw away historical facts and assume that WW2 continues but it is stagnant, and each power has unlimited resources and manpower.
It's ASB, but what we want to see here is late 40s German war technology.

Is that too complicated?
 
Operation Barbarossa was 3 millions and something so.

1) Axis forces in the east front was pretty big, here it is turned south, then west. Approx 90% of German forces in 1942 where engaged against the Soviet-Union.

Which does not mean that there will be four million men able to be sent at the West three years later. Especially with the need to hold the areas that have been taken.

2) United States enters the war much later.

3) Only after February 1943, was German economy fully mobilised, it increased massively in 44 and up to the last two months of war in europe.

Where's that book talking how many tanks the average tank division actually had OTL (with massive increases in production)...

What are you doing to increase that?

4) Germany had oil shortage, problems for industry and couldn´t use blitzkrieg to its full potential. Italian industry had even larger oil shortage. Here, the oil shortage is solved with Caucase and Iraq oil.

5) Industrial capacities of smaller axis powers was never harmonised with Germany.

Ah yes, we magically make it so that Germany is able to take those deposits and make use of them.

And the industrial capacities of said smaller powers aren't very significant - even if you harmonize them with Germany.

6) German military in 1939 was being prepared for a land-grabe against the Soviet-Union and Poland, rather than a war against industrial powers, warplans against France where the ones from 1914 with then-modern settings. Still won in less than a year.

In a situation where the West was caught off guard, strategically and tactically. Having that happen in every campaign...what are you playing, Dummy Mode AI?

7) Soviet-Union entering the war in 1940 makes it weaker in the long run, it was an all-or-nothing thing, Stalin would have won if Ploesti oilfields where destroyed.
Hitler establish a puppet governement unlike IOTL, which relieves much occupation pressure.

8) Later in the war, the axis have much better experience.

9) Victory? Much of Germany is devastated and a +10 millions strong allied force may strike from the east, hundreds of atomic bombs would be detonated in that case.

#7: Apparently, we can't have the Allies actually do something competent here.

#8: See point #7, only more so. Because only the Axis will have learned anything.

#9: Wait, what? Hundreds?

Your timeline is theoretically possible in a computer game. It does not work as a plausible way for WWII to have gone.

ScorchedLight said:
Guys, you're missing the point of this thread. The way I see it, this is a thought experiment.
So throw away historical facts and assume that WW2 continues but it is stagnant, and each power has unlimited resources and manpower.
It's ASB, but what we want to see here is late 40s German war technology.

Is that too complicated?

Discussing late 40s German war technology and magically handwaving any issues industrially or institutionally that get in the way means we might as well be discussing what would happen if Afrika Korps was mounted on extraterrestrial bats and using lightsabers.
 
A spaniard force of 1 million moves into northern France, soon reinforced by Italian forces.

Where does war-weary Spain suddenly finds the resources to send a million-man army in France?

Paris and Amsterdam are devastated by bombings, so supporting refugees will cause the axis even more troubles

The Allies start terror bombing against occupied cities because they think Nazis are going to devote time and resources to help them? Are we talking gentler, kinder Nazis there?

, this causes a collapse of the French resistance and the active involvement of many in the axis defence against the would-be liberators.

ASB IMHO. The town of St Lô was 80% destroyed in the Normandy breakthrough and I don't recall the inhabitants joining the Wehrmacht.
 
A slight variance of the scenario, Januay 1st 1952.


With France remaining in the war, Mussolini declares war to Yugosloavia instead, Bulgaria involves Germany against Greece in 1942 and some of it is granted to Italy so Germany doesn´t need to garrison the region.
The Soviet-Union and the european axis sign an armistice in 1943, allies attempts attacks on France and Spain in 1944, which fails. The Red Army invades Korea and Mandchukuo in spring 1946, Japan surrenders in May 1946, Mao attacks nationalist China in 1947 and Stalin is forced to join, early 1948 the Chinese and Russian armies strikes west.

Summer 1948, the US detonated the first atomic bomb and ask the Soviet-Union to allow the passage of Allied troops into europe, in exchange for massive post-war reconstruction help, deal is made (but is cancelled 2 years after the end of the conflict, well before it is completed, Stalin is not happy).

Latter 48 or early 49, the Kingdom of Italy "invades" the axis balkans and southern Germany before the allies can reach the region, re-establishing Austria, the allies allow it because it makes the invasion of Germany easier. Whatever remaines of non-vital German infrastructures are demolished by the allied occupation, guerilla warfare rages in former Germany, metropolitan Spain and Portugal. Some ethnic purification in the Sudetlands, Dantzig, Germans in Polish territories (both colonistes and pre-war ethnic Germans) and Saarland. Independentist movements grow in the colonies and many watch German guerilla tactics with interest.

The Allies start terror bombing against occupied cities because they think Nazis are going to devote time and resources to help them? Are we talking gentler, kinder Nazis there?

French wheren´t considered Slavs and Dutchs where counted among the Germanic peoples, beside, a starvation-induced revolt is the last thing they need, when situation isn´t much better among certain allies and armed forces barely hold against the allies.

Where does war-weary Spain suddenly finds the resources to send a million-man army in France?

Poland was much weaker than Spain but fielded more than that in 39, beside those troops aren´t exactly state of the art.

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A slight variance of the scenario, Januay 1st 1952.


With France remaining in the war, Mussolini declares war to Yugosloavia instead, Bulgaria involves Germany against Greece in 1942 and some of it is granted to Italy so Germany doesn´t need to garrison the region.
The Soviet-Union and the european axis sign an armistice in 1943, allies attempts attacks on France and Spain in 1944, which fails. The Red Army invades Korea and Mandchukuo in spring 1946, Japan surrenders in May 1946, Mao attacks nationalist China in 1947 and Stalin is forced to join, early 1948 the Chinese and Russian armies strikes west.

Summer 1948, the US detonated the first atomic bomb and ask the Soviet-Union to allow the passage of Allied troops into europe, in exchange for massive post-war reconstruction help, deal is made (but is cancelled 2 years after the end of the conflict, well before it is completed, Stalin is not happy).

Latter 48 or early 49, the Kingdom of Italy "invades" the axis balkans and southern Germany before the allies can reach the region, re-establishing Austria, the allies allow it because it makes the invasion of Germany easier. Whatever remaines of non-vital German infrastructures are demolished by the allied occupation, guerilla warfare rages in former Germany, metropolitan Spain and Portugal. Some ethnic purification in the Sudetlands, Dantzig, Germans in Polish territories (both colonistes and pre-war ethnic Germans) and Saarland. Independentist movements grow in the colonies and many watch German guerilla tactics with interest.



French wheren´t considered Slavs and Dutchs where counted among the Germanic peoples, beside, a starvation-induced revolt is the last thing they need, when situation isn´t much better among certain allies and armed forces barely hold against the allies.



Poland was much weaker than Spain but fielded more than that in 39, beside those troops aren´t exactly state of the art.

That Mongolia border (specifically, Inner Mongolia) is anachonistic, and an "independent" Manchuria with a Soviet base at Port Arthur seems more likely. Also, why are Spain's colonies unoccupied?
 
French wheren´t considered Slavs and Dutchs where counted among the Germanic peoples, beside, a starvation-induced revolt is the last thing they need, when situation isn´t much better among certain allies and armed forces barely hold against the allies

What bizarre demons suddenly possess the allies, to have them starting terror bombing campaigns against civilian populations that they're supposed to liberate, and against the will of governments in exiles that are allied to them?

Poland was much weaker than Spain but fielded more than that in 39, beside those troops aren´t exactly state of the art.

A much different situation IMHO - Poland mobilized for national defense, it didn't send an expeditionary corps of a million man across its borders after a 3-year war that bled the country white.
 
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