BlairWitch749
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it will be interesting when all the french files about the mutiny get unsealed. the true scope of it is still conjecture because the republic sealed the records for 150 years
France seals its records for 150 years? That's a lot longer than usual, and I'm surprised there aren't a lot of historians making a big fuss over it.it will be interesting when all the french files about the mutiny get unsealed. the true scope of it is still conjecture because the republic sealed the records for 150 years
France seals its records for 150 years? That's a lot longer than usual, and I'm surprised there aren't a lot of historians making a big fuss over it.
According to "France and the Great War 1917-1918" there was only a 100 year lock on the files, so they should open in 2017. Also, there have been historians let into the archives, but they were only allowed to request certain files, and had to know exactly what they were looking for. So there might be a gold mine of information that we don't even know exists. But I thought there was uniformity of opinion that only about 43 or so soldiers were actually executed, though I have heard stories that there might have been an entire division in mutiny and it was "escorted" into an open field behind the line and shelled into oblivion. Now these are just rumors, and something like that was bound to be much more well known, but nevertheless, there has to be a reason for the hundred year lock on the files. Just like why there are locks on British and American files from WW2....
According to "France and the Great War 1917-1918" there was only a 100 year lock on the files, so they should open in 2017. Also, there have been historians let into the archives, but they were only allowed to request certain files, and had to know exactly what they were looking for. So there might be a gold mine of information that we don't even know exists. But I thought there was uniformity of opinion that only about 43 or so soldiers were actually executed, though I have heard stories that there might have been an entire division in mutiny and it was "escorted" into an open field behind the line and shelled into oblivion. Now these are just rumors, and something like that was bound to be much more well known, but nevertheless, there has to be a reason for the hundred year lock on the files. Just like why there are locks on British and American files from WW2....
It depends on how much "without" America the allies are
if america is completely and utterly neutral and doesn't supply materials and war credits in huge amounts to the entente you might see the war end after the Somme if not somewhat earlier (the American's where supplying a huge portion of British artillery pieces, ammo, rifles and a number of other vital commodities not to mention the hundreds of millions of dollars in loans that financed the war
if it stays as otl where America is just waging economic war against Germany by financing and arming the entente but not actually shooting you could see perhaps a status quo pro ante peace in 1918... the British and French where exausted and the Germans at least in the initial stages of the spring offensive looked dominent
Basically, there would be not much difference, appart from a lower inflow of weapons and goods from the USA to the UK and France.
I'd say that military intervention by the Americans is unnecessary. The Entente doesn't even need to attack. All they require is that they don't loose, and the blockade will destroy Germany before they can extract enough from the ruins of the Russian Empire to feed themselves.
If the Entente simply sit in their trenches until well into 1919,