WW3 G vs. J
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...a nuclear war where the empire of the rising son is burned to a cinder...???
honestly i can't think of anything else
honestly i can't think of anything else
You'd probably have a rump Russia playing the role of OTL Germany- highly militarised, split between German-aligned and Japanese-aligned sectors. However, the huge distances and lack of a Berlin-analog (Moscow and Leningrad are German, Vladivostok is Japanese) makes this very different.
The conventional stages of the war would be primarily naval unless the German and Japanese spheres have a border somewhere outside Siberia- a partitioned India, or possibly even a partitioned USA a la Man in the High Castle?
The conventional stages of the war would be primarily naval unless the German and Japanese spheres have a border somewhere outside Siberia- a partitioned India, or possibly even a partitioned USA a la Man in the High Castle?
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The American State, established in 1948 under President Eisenhower: Controls the Eastern two thirds of the North American continent. Occupied by (Nazi) Germany, (Fascist) Italy, and (Vichy) France to prevent a resurgence of American Militarism. Capital: New York, divided in four-power administration between the Axis and the Japanese, their former allies. Crossed by the "Anti-Jewish Protection Wall" to prevent Jews from entering the German zone and create problems.
The National Union of Independent and Prospering American States, established in 1949 under President Morgenthau: Controls the Western third of the North American continent. Occupied by Japan to aid the honourable American people on their road to development and self-sufficiency under the benign auspices of the Greater [sic] Co-Prosperity Sphere. Capital: Los Angeles, divided in four-power administration between the Japanese and the Axis, their former allies. Crossed by the "Anti-Liberal Protection Wall" to make sure agents of the former Liberal government, in reality little more than the European Fascists' stooges, do not enter the Japanese zone to create problems.
(Not possible. But oooh so fun to ridicule sterotypes.
)Okay, dude. I said a war between japan and germany. NOT a post WW2 Earth.
Lighten up.
The problem with this is that the Germans and Japanese have almost no areas of competition which are likely to lead them into conflict.
With some fairly quick thinking I come up with
A) Siberia.
B) India
C) America (north or south).
All three are probably logistically impossible. B and C probably have enough 'native' military power to kick the stuffing out of either power. Especially given both are going to be busy commiting genocide in their respective living spaces. You could get some sort of cold war with combat through puppet states and advisors combined with a nuclear stand off, but WW3 seems unlikely.
With some fairly quick thinking I come up with
A) Siberia.
B) India
C) America (north or south).
All three are probably logistically impossible. B and C probably have enough 'native' military power to kick the stuffing out of either power. Especially given both are going to be busy commiting genocide in their respective living spaces. You could get some sort of cold war with combat through puppet states and advisors combined with a nuclear stand off, but WW3 seems unlikely.
I question the presuposition that anything is inevitable. Certain things may be impossible (such as the sea mammal that shall not be named
), but no event is predestined to occur, although the probabilities involved may give observers that impression. If nothing else, I believe the OTL has given us several examples of that. But, back to the main point, it is like the USA and USSR in the cold war. They could fight, they had different ideologies, they met in contested spheres of influence, they hated each other, they fought proxy wars with each other, and they had the power to destroy each other. But they never did. Why? A little thing called MAD. In this case, we may see something similar, in addition to large distances involved and a lack of a real reason to fight.If you can't stand discussion, then find another forum. And I agree with Atreus. If you think that it's inevitable that Japan and Germany will fight a war, then take a look at OTL. Was it inevitable for the US and the USSR to fight? Well obviously, they didn't. Also note that OTL neither US nor USSR gained much land from winning WW2. With the scenario you put up, it seems that Germany and Japan swallowed as much territory as they could. Such a state could not possibly conduct a cold war against another country succesfully. An entire half of your country would decide that they don't want to serve you.
I think we recognize that Italy would have little or no future as a true power in an Axis victorious timeline, excluding a major change several years previously. They just preformed so badly. Italy would be a second tier power that followed Germany's lead in international affairs.
And back to the main point, whether or not they get along is not the issue. Mutual anhiallation is the issue. Now, I will accept that the leadership on both sides could consider going over the brink. But when you are playing with thermonuclear fire instead of just a conventional war, you start to realize that a war may be a bad thing.
Not necessarily. They might share tech. And then the V weapons, which would probably include the atomic bomb in this timeline, were really weapons of desperation, might not be developed, removing or minimizing Germany's advantage.
I tend to agree with Atreus re: nukes. In the OTL the Germans had pretty much given up on nuke development by about 1944, while the Japanese were still pursuing, albeit very slowly, a weapons program. Further, while the Germans were way ahead in missile development, the Japanese were much further along in developing long range aircraft as a delivery system. Probably some kind of exchange would be likely, as we are not talking about truly rational governments here; whoever developed the weapons first, would likely use them, if for no other reason then to cow the other side.
I know that I'm double posting and I'm sorry about that. I just need to point out that the axis didn't need to beat america they just needed to drive the U.S. out of the pacific and conquer britian and russia. So this allows the U.S. to be the one to make germany and japan fight. It also leads to a cold war in the pacific.