WW2 with a "Fascist" Russia

What pre-War conditions would lead to a "fascist" Russia during WWII, how would they interact with the other nations?
 
In WW2, this Facist Russia behaves about the same, they'd expand into Eastern European territories for Racial reasons like Germany as opposed to attempting to cause some worldwide Communist Revolution. Facism is even more unpopular in the Liberal Democracies, so Socialism is more Popular.
Probably end up fueding with Germany over Poland, however Germany doesn't have the allies of Italy and Japan so easily, since those alliances were initially made as an anti-Communist agreement. Essentially the Facists end up fighting, until one of them needs extra resources and attacks a neutral country, then Boom, you have a different WW2. Interesting idea actually, I wonder what POD you'd need. *Scratches Chin.*
 
A fascists Russia would likely be very Conservative and Pan-Slavic. I imagined a Russia ruled by von Ungern-Sternberg once; that's ASB, of course, but that's the way it would have to go: An extreme Tsar with extreme, but still competent, ministers.

One idea might be to have Lenin become Conservative instead of Marxist.

And a fascist Russia would completely butterfly away the Nazis. Heck, Germany and Western Europe might go communist so BRitain and the US fear them instead.
 
I don't understand why a Facist Russia would butterfly the Nazis away, since Facism is nationalist, not internationalist, until it turns militarist Facism doesn't have that much impact in the world sphere, just within their own nation.
 
I don't understand why a Facist Russia would butterfly the Nazis away, since Facism is nationalist, not internationalist, until it turns militarist Facism doesn't have that much impact in the world sphere, just within their own nation.

You just said it yourself: Without the threat of Russian International Communism, there's no fear of revolution in the West (or at least less), hence the Prussian Junkers and Ruhr magnates won't have any reason to put up with sillynesses like the Nazis.
 
You just said it yourself: Without the threat of Russian International Communism, there's no fear of revolution in the West (or at least less), hence the Prussian Junkers and Ruhr magnates won't have any reason to put up with sillynesses like the Nazis.

Really?

It's not like people were expecting the Russians to invade in 1933. Socialists are still around in Germany....

Sure, arguably OTL Nazis are unlikely, but it's not impossible.
 
The west would be a lot more willing to help them out should a Germany they're at war with also attack Russia.

But meh, butterflies and stuff would interupt. Without the threat of communism being so large the nazis wouldn't get to where they were. The world as a whole would be very different.
 
A fascists Russia would likely be very Conservative and Pan-Slavic. I imagined a Russia ruled by von Ungern-Sternberg once; that's ASB, of course, but that's the way it would have to go: An extreme Tsar with extreme, but still competent, ministers.

One idea might be to have Lenin become Conservative instead of Marxist.

And a fascist Russia would completely butterfly away the Nazis. Heck, Germany and Western Europe might go communist so BRitain and the US fear them instead.

Russia being ruled by the Baron von Sternberg is not ASB, look at my TL. Moving on form my shameless TL advert, I agree with what you said about Germany going Communist but the rest of Western Europe, I don't think so. Also, in order to get a Fascist Russia, just get one of the White leaders in charge. A lot of them were authoritarian and antisemitic but few were Pan-Slavic so maybe you could get a Fascist Russia but not a Pan-Slavic one unless there is some major Pan-Slavic White figure I never heard of.
 
Russia being ruled by the Baron von Sternberg is not ASB, look at my TL. Moving on form my shameless TL advert, I agree with what you said about Germany going Communist but the rest of Western Europe, I don't think so. Also, in order to get a Fascist Russia, just get one of the White leaders in charge. A lot of them were authoritarian and antisemitic but few were Pan-Slavic so maybe you could get a Fascist Russia but not a Pan-Slavic one unless there is some major Pan-Slavic White figure I never heard of.

I exaggerated a little there about Communism in the West, perhaps...

The odds for the White Movement ever succeeding were about the same as for Nazi Germany winning WW2. They had everything against them: Foreign opinion, population numbers, industry... any sort of final victory for them is almost ASB in and of itself, never mind keeping the country together with the conditions France heaped on them (Baron Wrangel was forced to recognise the entire Russian war debt, plus interest, for example, should he ever succeed in liberating Russia). No, in my mind you'd have to go back to the Tsars to develop a "Russo-Fascism".
 
Really?

It's not like people were expecting the Russians to invade in 1933. Socialists are still around in Germany....

Sure, arguably OTL Nazis are unlikely, but it's not impossible.

Perhaps not impossible, but it was fear of Communism that gave them most of their support. If there had been no successful Revolution, or if the KPD had been much weaker, a lot of their supporters would've remained with the Traditional Right. At the very least, they'd be seriously weakened.
 

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If Stalin's WW II USSR wasn't the very definition of a fascist dictatorship, it is had to imagine what country fits the bill.

Autocratic rule? Check
The good of the State raised far above the individual? Check
The individual being nothing but a cog in the State's machine? Check
Glorification of the military (especially of the warlord)? Check
Suppression of opposition? Check
Racism as a tool of the State? Check
State controled economy? Check
Extreme social controls? Check
Cult of personality regarding ruler/ruler personified as the State? Check
Repressive secret police? Check

Yea, looks about right.
 
If Stalin's WW II USSR wasn't the very definition of a fascist dictatorship, it is had to imagine what country fits the bill.

Autocratic rule? Check
The good of the State raised far above the individual? Check
The individual being nothing but a cog in the State's machine? Check
Glorification of the military (especially of the warlord)? Check
Suppression of opposition? Check
Racism as a tool of the State? Check
State controled economy? Check
Extreme social controls? Check
Cult of personality regarding ruler/ruler personified as the State? Check
Repressive secret police? Check

Yea, looks about right.
I would not go into details of your "Fascism for Dummies" comparison, although most specialists see mixing of Totalitarianism (which was obviously well presented in USSR) and Fascism
as ultimate sacrilege, but you do make one crucial mistake. Racism was completely absent as state policy tool in pre-WWII USSR and did not reach even Italian (leave alone German) levels even in darkest hours of 1944-1953.
 
Hmmm...there were a lot of russian alternative-history book about this; For example:"We will go into battle bravery" and "Red blood on the white wings"-Antanta attcked russia in 1919, so german and russian(communst, other...)fought with Antanta, and then Russia-german-Finland empire appear.
 
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