WW2 with a Communist USA

Let us assume that during the Great depression the US suffers it's own red revolution. what effects would that have for WW2 and beyond?
 

Irioth

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Let us assume that during the Great depression the US suffers it's own red revolution. what effects would that have for WW2 and beyond?

A terrified UK and France make detente with Germany. The Commie USA spends the 30s solidifying South America into a leftist block with its Mexico and Brazil satellites. Argentina seeks protection from European powers.

USSR and Commie USA become rivals under a shallow show of revolutionary solidarity that becomes threadbare as time goes on, up to open enemity (mirroring the Sino-Soviet split).

UK and France give Germany a free hand into Eastern Europe, it eventually goes to a Western Europe vs. USSR war, which the Soviets lose.

USA intervenes in the China-Japan war, as an ally of Mao, and wins.

Cold war between the European Western Alliance, which controls Russia, Africa, and the Middle East, and the Leftist America-China bloc.
 

Irioth

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Britian and France become really desperate about contianing communism.

And rush to court Germany and italy, throwing Versailles away. The big question is, will that be enough to butterfly Nazism away ? Anyway, they will ally with Hitler and Mussolini nonetheless, it's their only hope.
 
And rush to court Germany and italy, throwing Versailles away. The big question is, will that be enough to butterfly Nazism away ? Anyway, they will ally with Hitler and Mussolini nonetheless, it's their only hope.

Vary true but if Germany and Italy attack them then they would turn to America but would this Communist America respond and even if they did it might be too late.
 

Irioth

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Vary true but if Germany and Italy attack them then they would turn to America but would this Communist America respond and even if they did it might be too late.

If they give Hitler a completely free hand in Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland, and Mussolini a free hand in Jugoslavia and Greece (and they likely will, what's an handful of minors in comparison to contain two Commie giants), they will never attack on the West (well, Mussolini might wish to, but without Germany, he never will). Once Hitler has his Central Europe booty, he will go right for Moscow. War in the West was a wholly unwelcome development to him.

Questions : a) Will Poland fight over Danzig and the Corridor, without any hope of Western help ? Will they welcome the Red Army in, and sacrifice Eastern Poland ? b) Will UK/France follow, if Germany goes Barbarossa (if USSR makes any moves of its own on Finland or Romania, they will). c) Will ComUSA go into alliance with USSR, or chart its own course ?
 
If they give Hitler a completely free hand in Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland, and Mussolini a free hand in Jugoslavia and Greece (and they likely will, what's an handful of minors in comparison to contain two Commie giants), they will never attack on the West (well, Mussolini might wish to, but without Germany, he never will). Once Hitler has his Central Europe booty, he will go right for Moscow. War in the West was a wholly unwelcome development to him.

Questions : a) Will Poland fight over Danzig and the Corridor, without any hope of Western help ? Will they welcome the Red Army in, and sacrifice Eastern Poland ? b) Will UK/France follow, if Germany goes Barbarossa (if USSR makes any moves of its own on Finland or Romania, they will). c) Will ComUSA go into alliance with USSR, or chart its own course ?

I bet Germany would eventully attack France and Britian to get back at them in world war one.
 

Irioth

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I bet Germany would eventully attack France and Britian to get back at them in world war one.

Well, Hitler did a lot of exceedingly stupid things in his time, but this one would top them all. :eek:

Anyway, I humbly doubt it. First, he purposefully sought to avoid picking a fight with UK/France, at least until USSR was done. ITTL, there still would be a Commie giant to fight. he was a narrow-minded fanatic, but this doesn't strike as *his* brand of fanatism, according to his OTL M.O.
 
Would a red revolution in the US even be plausible, I mean it is not Russia we are talking about here the US have a strong democratic tradition, I have a hard time picturing gulags in the Arizona desert or red guards killing mid western farmers.:rolleyes:
 

Irioth

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Would a red revolution in the US even be plausible, I mean it is not Russia we are talking about here the US have a strong democratic tradition, I have a hard time picturing gulags in the Arizona desert or red guards killing mid western farmers.:rolleyes:

Admittedly it is very very unplausible. I can see a rather extreme right-wing populism, or Socialism (the real thing, not just getting a universal health system like the rest of the world for you yankees :p) taking root if New Deal fails or bever happens and the economic situation remains bleak.
 
Questions : a) Will Poland fight over Danzig and the Corridor, without any hope of Western help ? Will they welcome the Red Army in, and sacrifice Eastern Poland ?

Very, very much unlikely. IOTL, they always considered Communism and Russia their main enemy, at least till the Nazis were already in charge of what remained of their country. Much more likely that they'd have negotiated a solution.

b) Will UK/France follow, if Germany goes Barbarossa (if USSR makes any moves of its own on Finland or Romania, they will).

In the posited scenario, they'll at the very least be arming Germany and sending volunteers.

c) Will ComUSA go into alliance with USSR, or chart its own course ?

Depends on whether it's an independent Communist entity or a Comintern-run puppet.
 
Then England, France, Germany, and Japan are all fucked.

Very doubtful. While Nazism crippled Germany and that may still occur you now have a communist US which will really fuck-up initiative, production and development.

You have two potentially huge but internally crippled powers largely isolated from each other and probably deeply mistrusting each other as well. Will be a lot of that in the other alliance as well but not as much. Also a recently imposed Bolshevik state in the US is likely to make Stalin look popular in the USSR in comparison. That is likely to be very much a paper tiger. I can see an half-way functioning fascist US but a communist one, without a much earlier POD, which isn't self crippled is virtually impossible.

Steve
 
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