I'm new on this forum, so I don't really know how this works. I made this timeline a few weeks ago and posted it on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryWha..._long_and_detailed_axis_victory_ww2_and_cold/).
I'm new on this forum, so I don't really know how this works.
Well let's see... for a layman it sounds plausible enough. But serious students of WW2 history will pick it apart like I'm about too.I made this timeline a few weeks ago and posted it on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryWha..._long_and_detailed_axis_victory_ww2_and_cold/).
By May 27th, the British would have established a solid all around defensive line on favorable terrain. The Germans would not have been able to break this and reach the port before the BEF gets away and would take heavy losses in the process.27 May 1940 – For one day only, part of the BEF is evacuated from Dunkirk before Germany finally closes the pocket, forcing the majority to surrender after bloody fighting.
How? The British quite handily won the battle OTL thanks to good pre-war preparations and solidly professional leadership while the German plan was from the outset cripplingly flawed.July 1940 – The Battle of Britain begins as German fighters try to gain air superiority over the island. Over the next few months, the RAF is severely weakened, opening the way for strategic bombing operations by the Germans.
In reality, this results in Barbarossa immediately bogging down. All the snow that builds-up March and April are the time of the Spring Raputitsa, which renders large scale offensive action by armies impossible. In 1941, it was also longer then usual due to the spring rains persisting into May. The Germans in March '41 also have not built up as much in terms of combat power and logistics. They'll stall almost immediately with heavy losses and blow the element of surprise.10 March 1941 – Germany launches Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of the Soviet Union, with 3 million men, along with their eastern European allies and Vichy France. ‘Volunteers’ from still neutral Italy and other countries flock in the hundreds of thousands to join the ‘crusade against bolshevism’.
Given that all of the relevant Siberian forces were not drawn from the Soviet Far East, this represents little change.A Japanese reconnaissance aircraft violates Soviet airspace, prompting the Soviet high command not to divert troops from the Far East for fears of an imminent Japanese invasion, opening a second front.
The US would still extend lend-lease in November 1941, like OTL. That the Soviets were non-democratic mattered less to the American public then the fact they were fighting Germans.The USA steps up its Lend Lease program to the UK, but doesn’t send anything to the Soviets for fear of public outcry to supporting a non-democratic regime.
The US likely declares war on Germany anyways. Pearl Harbour neatly murdered the Isolationist movement in America and the Germans were very much seen as in cahoots with the Japanese even before Hitler declared war. Even if that is not enough, the next incident between a German U-Boat in the Atlantic and an American vessel in a convoy to Britain leads to the American public focusing all that anger over Pearl Harbour upon Germany, with a subsequent DoW. Since the US are now allies with Britain against Japan, Roosevelt would have a free hand to ship whatever he wants to Britain, sent on and guarded by whatever ships he wants, and with free reign to shoot any German submarine which refuses to surface and identify themselves on the assumption that they are Japanese (and therefore expose themselves to being sunk by the inevitable Royal Navy vessels which are also hanging around the convoy) that incident would likely come in the first few months of 1942.After consideration, Hitler decides not to declare war on the USA, claiming the tripartite pact only applies to defensive wars.
- don't have to the British can pass it over for them, they started sending stuff before the US....but doesn’t send anything to the Soviets
-as poster above...not to declare war on the USA
- ekkkkkk this is pure ASB for a start what bombers ? they should be in russia by now ? and just how did they destroy fighter command for 2 years ????Britain has been slowly rebuilding its air infrastructure since they lost the Battle of Britain, and finally starts to attack German strategic bombers. Until now, German bombers have been flying relatively safely over British industrial areas, and have become complacent, taking huge losses in the first few days and weeks of the British air counter-offensive, dubbed the ‘Second Battle of Britain’, but soon begin fighting back, downing many allied fighters. Meanwhile, Britain sends its first major, organized strategic bombing run over the Ruhr region, although its effectiveness is debatable, and with a lot of losses.
- Can you fit that many on such a small island !!!!Wake Island, inflicting over 50,000
- why with US LL you are going to win if you dont fold in 40/41 you will not do so later...Churchill resigns from office, saying “We may have saved Britain from German expansionism, but we have lost Europe.” His successor, Halifax, begins negotiation with Hitler
- like that's going to work read about "Jewish" science and Nazis spy's !Hitler orders German scientists to begin work on their own nuclear weapons, sending spies into the USA.