WW2 Germany with US/Russian resources/production capabilities

Hello,

Let's say in WW2 Germany somehow is able to match Americas production capability or out produce them (Impossible I know) And either Russian or US resources (oil, metal etc) then how long would they last?

I know this would be incredibly unrealistic for Germany but if it did then would the war go on for a few more years possibly?
 

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Hello,

Let's say in WW2 Germany somehow is able to match Americas production capability or out produce them (Impossible I know) And either Russian or US resources then how long would they last?

I know this would be incredibly unrealistic for Germany but if it did then would the war go on for a few more years possibly?
You mean like a Soviet LL to Germany? I suppose if the Soviets entered the war on the German side, say after the Allies got off halfcocked and launch Operation Pike in 1941 before Case Yellow, then you could have German industry getting a lot of supplies and what not on credit. That would mean the UK with US help is probably not going to be able to invade the continent successfully. Then it turns into an Axis+Soviets vs. Allies Cold War in the long run.
 
You mean like a Soviet LL to Germany? I suppose if the Soviets entered the war on the German side, say after the Allies got off halfcocked and launch Operation Pike in 1941 before Case Yellow, then you could have German industry getting a lot of supplies and what not on credit. That would mean the UK with US help is probably not going to be able to invade the continent successfully. Then it turns into an Axis+Soviets vs. Allies Cold War in the long run.

Nah like if Germany had a lot more resources and was able to keep up/overtake American production level such as building tanks, planes etc, weaponry.
 

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Nah like if Germany had a lot more resources and was able to keep up/overtake American production level such as building tanks, planes etc, weaponry.
Yeah, but how does it get those resources? Even with Soviet resources it is pretty much impossible having conquered the USSR to extract those resources for years, so you'd need something like a Soviet LL program to the Germans. But even then the Soviets don't have enough to give the Germans what the US gave the Brits and using the industry of conquered Europe is impossible given the hatred for the Germans among the very peoples needed to work for Germany in those industries. When they tried to use them IOTL on a limited basis the French sabotaged pretty much everything they could get away with. Barring ASB intervention the Germans couldn't achieve US production levels due to the Soviets being behind everyone but the Italians and Japanese in industrial technologies, so their industries weren't really useful and Stalin simply would just give the German LL levels of unlimited resources, nor would he turn over the labor to the Germans to use in their industry that they needed to free up their manpower to fight. It's just impossible for the Germans to ever match the US alone in output. To be fair though no one could. Even at it's height of relative industrial power the USSR only ever managed to achieve a fraction of US GDP despite having a much larger population.
 
Yeah, but how does it get those resources? Even with Soviet resources it is pretty much impossible having conquered the USSR to extract those resources for years, so you'd need something like a Soviet LL program to the Germans. But even then the Soviets don't have enough to give the Germans what the US gave the Brits and using the industry of conquered Europe is impossible given the hatred for the Germans among the very peoples needed to work for Germany in those industries. When they tried to use them IOTL on a limited basis the French sabotaged pretty much everything they could get away with. Barring ASB intervention the Germans couldn't achieve US production levels due to the Soviets being behind everyone but the Italians and Japanese in industrial technologies, so their industries weren't really useful and Stalin simply would just give the German LL levels of unlimited resources, nor would he turn over the labor to the Germans to use in their industry that they needed to free up their manpower to fight. It's just impossible for the Germans to ever match the US alone in output. To be fair though no one could. Even at it's height of relative industrial power the USSR only ever managed to achieve a fraction of US GDP despite having a much larger population.

Ah okay fair enough then, but what if US gave lend lease to Germany instead? Providing Germany accepts this?
 
I've always thought questions like these are interesting thought experiments regarding WW2, but as you mentioned in your original post, it's almost impossible to create without ASB. Germany and Japan had the population and resources to create regional hegemonies in the 1940s, but not to become world powers as the U.S. and Soviet Union did. And giving both those countries extra resources butterflies away much of the motivation to fight the war to begin with (not all their motivations-they were both motivated in part by ideology and ethnic/racial animosities, but the need for more natural resources was a factor in their governments motivating the population to fight).

I will say that if the Germany, within it's territorial boundaries of 1939, had a population of 110-120 million people and had a significant domestic supply of oil, and they mobilized these extra resources efficiently, then its chances of knocking out the Soviet government in the beginning of Barbarossa and fortifying continental Europe against a Western Allies invasion improves dramatically. But even the extra manpower and oil might not be enough. I'm not sure how well supplied it was with steel-someone else on the board would probably be better able to tell you that than me-and even with a population of 120 million, they are still facing a significant manpower disparity when facing the USSR, USA, and UK empire all at once. Plus, we also have to consider the issues of Germany being able to feed a population of 120 million and having the capabilities to develop nuclear weapons.
 

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Ah okay fair enough then, but what if US gave lend lease to Germany instead? Providing Germany accepts this?
Why and how would they get it given the British blockade? I mean arguably if you had a Red Alert scenario where a non-Nazi, probably Weimar Germany was the head of a European coalition to stave off a Soviet invasion of the continent you could see a UK+US LL program to a German led coalition, but then we get into the issue of why Stalin or any Soviet leader would want to invade Europe even without a rearmed Germany.
 
If we magic up Germany so it had the natural resources and industrial capacity of the United States... then they'd be able to smash the Soviet Union and demolish the Royal Navy, thereby dooming Great Britain, long before the United States could ramp up adequately to even force a stalemate. In sum, the Germans would basically win the war.
 

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Hello,Let's say in WW2 Germany somehow is able to match Americas production capability or out produce them (Impossible I know) And either Russian or US resources (oil, metal etc) then how long would they last?

While it was impossible for Germany to reach US production levels they could have handled their industry a lot better in the 1939-1941 period thus massively boosting their production. Had the Germans introduced the 3x8 hour shifts in late 1939 and rationalized their industry and relied on Polish and French labourers and treated them better than OTL and got more resources (like discovering the Matzen Oil fields in 1939 instead of 1949) then they could have brought forward their production levels by at least year. This means an extra 15 000 aircraft and 10 000 tanks in the 1940-1942 period and another extra 15 and 10k in the years 43/44. With this surplus the Germans can either defeat Russia or stalemate the Allied coalition either until they would negotiate or use the nuke.
 
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