WW2: Germany beats Britain but loses to US/USSR

hey, all. ive recently gotten Empire Earth on the brain and have been thinking about working out a collective timeline focusing on the 20th and 21st century campaigns from the first two games of that series and their expansions

anyway, here's what i'm asking for thoughts and second opinions on: assuming that Germany successfully invades Poland, France, and Scandinavia as IOTL and goes on to defeat the UK (in EE it involved a successful Sealion, but for this discussion we can leave that out), what would be its chances of defeating a US/Soviet invasion--or, rather, how long would it be able to resist conquest by them? for this project, Germany still has to lose and be divided into West and East Germany. up until about the Battle of Britain, history is pretty much the same as IOTL (there might be some earlier changes to the New World, but i dont think that would affect Germany)

also, for this discussion, it doesnt necessarily have to be a Nazi-ruled Germany (in EE, Goering and Rommel are specifically mentioned, but Hitler never appears)

this is all probably ASB, but i figured the post-1900 forum would be the best place to put the thread
 
OK, we could say that "beat Britain" means a peace Hitler would approve of, ie France is still under German domination. You'd need to have to change things before the Battle of Britain, though. I reckon it's going to be more of a cease fire than a real peace. Anyway, when Germany invades the USSR Stalin won't be all "OMG Hitler betrayed me woe is me", he's going to interpret the massive buildup of German forces on the border differently. This means the Soviets will be better prepared, and the initial success of Barbarossa will be far slighter. Germany will surrender much sooner than OTL.
 

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With No BoB Germany doesnt loose the 2000+ aircraft while fighting Britain.Also no need to send troops into North Africa or Yugoslavia/Greece.

Therefore German forces are much stronger and begin Barbarossa earlier - so the initial sucess of Barbarossa will be far greater than in OTL.

Also since there is no Battle of the Atlantic and No US supporting the UK - Hitler doesnt declare war on the US.

So if Germany beats Britain its the question if the USSR can win alone against Germany. US will mostl likely not be included.
 
for the project, i want to specifically include the US to some degree, though; maybe a briefly exiled UK government gets them to help, and there's also soldiers from the rest of the commonwealth to take into account (iirc, canadian troops contributed more to the fight in europe than most/all other nationalities)
 
Oshron, Germany actually invading the UK is pretty impossible so... good luck? Churchill isn't exactly the one that will go for a peace.
 
If the UK is not at war when the Germans invade the USSR why would the US be involved? FDR and the nation would just cheer hoping both sides butcher each other. With Britain not in the equation there is no undeclared naval war between the US Navy and German U-Boats. There is no Lend Lease. The Neutrality laws are still in force so the US would sell to both sides so long as they could afford to pay and transport the goods themselves.

Why would the US go to war just to save the communists?

Even if there is still a Pearl Harbor here, which is by no means certain, would Germany declare war? I don't think even Hitler would be that insane. While he DID hate and underestimate the US he also tried to avoid antagonizing them. Not because he hoped for long term friendship, but for the more pragmatic reason that he wanted to have just one front to deal with at a time. In OTL his reasoning for declaring war after Pearl Harbor was that he felt the two countries were already fighting and that if he did not FDR would and he wanted the prestige.

That would not be the case here sio I don't believe Hitler would declare war. The Tripartite pact was written up as a defensive alliance, which means Hitler could claim it did not bind him to fight when Japan was the aggressor. The same excuse Mussolini used.
 
With No BoB Germany doesnt loose the 2000+ aircraft while fighting Britain.Also no need to send troops into North Africa or Yugoslavia/Greece.

Therefore German forces are much stronger and begin Barbarossa earlier - so the initial sucess of Barbarossa will be far greater than in OTL.

Also since there is no Battle of the Atlantic and No US supporting the UK - Hitler doesnt declare war on the US.

So if Germany beats Britain its the question if the USSR can win alone against Germany. US will mostl likely not be included.
Umm... how do they beat Britain in the first place?
 
well in EE (which im basing this supposition on) they use a successful Operation Sealion, but for the purposes of discussion it can be something else. maybe it could be like Fatherland and the germans starve britain into submission
 
well i havent really spent alot of time exploring germany vs. britain scenarios :D all the stuff ive been researching for up until right now involves germany being divided into four non-powers with everything west of the rhine belonging to france :rolleyes:
 
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