WW2 Axis victory

Some time ago I made this map, the thoughts behind it were this:

It is 1940, after a successful battle of Britain the Axis decide to give the green light for Operation Sealion, the invasion of Britain.
Britain falls and so the USA hasn't got a European stronghold from where to operate and send supplies to.

With Britain defeated there isn't anyone to keep the Germans from reaching the oil fields in the Middle east.

With Britain defeated all eyes turn towards the East, and operation Barbarossa begins. With the German generals in charge, the German and the Italian army manage to capture the oil fields in the south.
Together with Finnish troops attacking the northern ports of Russia, it is left in complete isolation.

Ultimately Germany manages to take Moscow, and so with Russia losing its largest industrial complexes, Leningrad ultimately falls as well.

Stalin and his military regroup behind the Ural mountains, but Hitler doesn't chase them as they aren't a major thread anymore, the costs would be to high and the gains to low.

The story may be a bit shaky, but this is what it would look like, im not sure if, even when the Japanese manage to destroy the entire US Pacific fleet, they would successfully invade the US west coast.

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Dark Brown is Gross Deutschland (greater Germany)
Lighter Brown are the regions controlled by a General Government (controlled by the Military )
Dark Blue is Italy and its Colonies
Light Blue are the Axis friendly regimes / countries
Shitty Brown are the German Colonies
Red is the Empire of Japan
Green in Africa, are the former Colonies of European countries now controlled by germany, but not yet taken it self. They are more or less independent.
Yellow is the USA

Russia has broken into several states
China has broken into several states as well
The British commonwealth of India, Oceania as well as Canada have self control.


Tell me what you think of it, would Germany have invaded Canada?
How could they have achieved a victory over Russia.
How could Japan achieve victory over the US and would it have been able to invade the US west coast? ( I myself highly doubt this, because the Germans wouldnt yet have invaded the US from the East)
 
I'll answer those questions.

1. Unless Canada was either supporting Britain with troops or had something the Nazis wanted, I highly doubt a German invasion of Canada would take place.

2. Germany takes over France and Britain, ousting the Allies. That we know. Hitler decides to attack in mid-Spring. Stalin's Red Army, however, makes a decisive attack and cuts off Germany's supply lines. Japan, shortly after taking a large chunk of China and the Pacific Islands, prolongs a Hawaiin invasion and attacks the USSR from the East. Finland invades from the north. Stalin is forced to send troops eastward and northward, allowing the Nazis to launch a campaign from Kiev to Moscow, sending Stalin to the Urals.

3. Hitler then gives the O.K. for Operation: Giant Fall (translated from Japanese). Japan bombs Pearl Harbor, annihilating virtually all of the Pacific American Navy (all of the fleet was nachored that day. The Japs move steadily toward Honalulu(sp.?) while a surprise attack on the Aleutians take place. Germany sends reinforcements to Japan-controlled Hawaii and Aleutians. Most of these Nazis help in the Battle of San Francisco (bomb raid). The Axis is slowed greatly while reaching the beginning of the Rockies due to inexperience with the terrain. Large amounts of guerrilla warfare starts in the mountains. Due to large amounts of Atlantic naval destroyers in the Atlantic, Germany and Italy decide it is to risky to launch an eastern invasion and decide to ask for a peace treaty, considering the western situation. The Axis powers come to an agreement in which they will keep Alaska, California, Oregon, Washington, and some parts of New Mexico in exchange for African colonies now owned by Germany.

3 was the only seemingly likely thing to happen.
 
It is 1940, after a successful battle of Britain the Axis decide to give the green light for Operation Sealion, the invasion of Britain.
The story may be a bit shaky, but this is what it would look like, im not sure if, even when the Japanese manage to destroy the entire US Pacific fleet, they would successfully invade the US west coast.
Either of these alone would justify a near ASB plausibility rating... combined it doesn't bear thinking about.
 

maverick

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Didn't we create a welcoming committee to deal with this kind of stuff?

And by welcoming Committee, I mean some sort of warning against WWII posts for newbs, not a group of mobster breaking newbs' kneecaps, which is what I would have suggested...
 
Didn't we create a welcoming committee to deal with this kind of stuff?

And by welcoming Committee, I mean some sort of warning against WWII posts for newbs, not a group of mobster breaking newbs' kneecaps, which is what I would have suggested...

I think it was discussed but never implemented. Personally, I think it'd be really smart for us to post a sticky establishing some suggestions or guidelines for new members.
 
Tell me what you think of it, would Germany have invaded Canada? How could they have achieved a victory over Russia. How could Japan achieve victory over the US and would it have been able to invade the US west coast? ( I myself highly doubt this, because the Germans wouldnt yet have invaded the US from the East)

Utterly absurd nonsense.
 
SEALION!!!

I do like though, how Japan didn't invade the Canadian Pacific Coast. Or Panama. Or Germany allowing Africans limited independence.

Overall, welcome to the board, and sorry you picked the ONE topic that pisses nearly everybody off...
 

CalBear

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OH

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:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Let's see...​

Odds of a sucessful Sealion:​

1,000,000,000 cubed:1


Odds of SUCCESSFUL invasion of the U.S. by Japan:


Googel:1


Chance of BOTH occurring:


Dammit! :mad: I ran out of numbers!



Odds that this fine fellow is Bard32 reborn - 50:50
 
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Let's see...

Odds of a sucessful Sealion:
1,000,000,0003

Odds of SUCCESSFUL invasion of the U.S. by Japan:

1,000,000,000100

Chance of BOTH occurring:

Dammit! I ran out of numbers!

Odds that this fine fellow is Bard32 reborn - 50:50

and the odds of another long debate, priceless:D
 
I think perhaps we need to use the wiki to, ahem, 'inform' some of our newer members of some basic board do's and don'ts.

Like making your first post a thread with a successful Sealion and an invasion of North America is generally A_Bad_Thing™.
 

burmafrd

Banned
Sadly this comes from someone who obviously never bothered to even think about Logistics.

I doubt we ever hear from him again....
 
Japanese would not invade the US West Coast unless the Germans invades the East Coast. Hawaii probably would be invaded by Japan. India probably would break up from Britain the same as in OTL. China will break up into several states.
 

burmafrd

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Japan had nowhere near the transport capability to move the necessary troops that distance. Not to mention having to come within range of land based aircraft if nothing else. It would have stretched their capabilty to the limits just trying to take Hawaii.
 
1 If they did the stuff below, yes.
2 Germany and Japan find the "godmode" cheat for Real Life.
3 Germany and Japan find the "godmode" cheat for Real Life.
 
There's a board game called Tomorrow the World in which the Germans and Japanese square off after winning WW2 - http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/7625

There's a scenario explaining the background in the back of one of the manuals.

If I remember the general history it is (any errors are because of vague memory)

Hitler gets control of Bavaria then Germany in 1923

Roosevelt assassinated in 1932 or 1933, and America stays in depression

WW2 on schedule in 1939

Sealion in 1940. Commonwealth (I seem to remember S. Africa withdraws from war,, Australians bring home troops etc.)

Barbarossa 1941. Moscow falls. Stalin killed. Russia collapses. Japanese invade Russian far East, parachute drops on Trans-Siberian railway etc

Pearl Harbor 1941 - sinks American carriers

1942ish - Australia surrenders when bombed

Germans invade mIddle east from Russia and Africa. Turkey joins Axis. Eventually they meet the Japanese in India

1943ish Hawaii invaded at some point. Argentina joins Axis, beginnings of friction between Germans vs Japs. Axis demands US surrender. Germans and Japanese exchange naval and jet technologies, etc.

Pro-Axis regimes in Cuba, Mexico. US begins Rio-Grande defensive line

1944ish-1945ish - Germans invade N. America. Washington captured by paratroops. Confusion between rival US governments. Germans advance West. Western part of US allies with Japanese, and allows their entry from Mexico.

post WW2 - Germans and Japanese preparing atom bombs and to attack each other. Italians attack Japanese Africa (Kenya?) - WW3 starts...
 
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