WW2 ATL after bagration

Hkelukka

Banned
Completely theoretical borderline ASB scenario. Handwave away the "why" hitler et co decides to do it like this, but assume that this is the decided course for the future.

After Op Bagration. Hitler issues an order where by the German military has the following commands:

1st goal: Evacuate as many ethnic Germans from the East to as far West as possible.

2nd goal: Attempt to ensure that post war as much of Germany is in allied hands not soviet hands.

3rd goal: Ensure maximum losses for the soviet, in manpower and material.

4th goal: Ensure largest possible total German population after war (Avoid losing men pointlessly)

How long would Germany hold on, where would the line post ww2 be, how many more civilians would survive / die. And all that. Any takers?
 
Completely theoretical borderline ASB scenario. Handwave away the "why" hitler et co decides to do it like this, but assume that this is the decided course for the future.

After Op Bagration. Hitler issues an order where by the German military has the following commands:

1st goal: Evacuate as many ethnic Germans from the East to as far West as possible.

2nd goal: Attempt to ensure that post war as much of Germany is in allied hands not soviet hands.

3rd goal: Ensure maximum losses for the soviet, in manpower and material.

4th goal: Ensure largest possible total German population after war (Avoid losing men pointlessly)

How long would Germany hold on, where would the line post ww2 be, how many more civilians would survive / die. And all that. Any takers?


Ignoring the why

I'd need the POD to be during bagration, not after... he has to allow mobile retreat from bagration AND from normandy to make any significant change to the final outcome... the mobile retreat has to allow army group north not to get cut off and boxed into the baltic

have him extricate the forces out of normandy, taking advantage of the french river lines, and the long/semi disorganized allied supply lines and logistical bottlenecks until he can pull his forces into the west wall

leave the vg and a few infantry divisions (with some panzer corset stiffeners) in the west wall and send every possible mobile division and all possible airpower to the east to build up a front on the vistula, whilst having training troops thicken the oder line

no counterattacks suicidely into allied airpower, just sit in the defensive positions and fight for every yard, making maximum advantage of german long range and infantry anti tank weapons

the allies burst through the west wall and encircle ruhr, whilst the german army continues to fight tooth and nail on the vistula

ensue allied unopposed advance
 
Ignoring the why

I'd need the POD to be during bagration, not after... he has to allow mobile retreat from bagration AND from normandy to make any significant change to the final outcome... the mobile retreat has to allow army group north not to get cut off and boxed into the baltic

have him extricate the forces out of normandy, taking advantage of the french river lines, and the long/semi disorganized allied supply lines and logistical bottlenecks until he can pull his forces into the west wall

leave the vg and a few infantry divisions (with some panzer corset stiffeners) in the west wall and send every possible mobile division and all possible airpower to the east to build up a front on the vistula, whilst having training troops thicken the oder line

no counterattacks suicidely into allied airpower, just sit in the defensive positions and fight for every yard, making maximum advantage of german long range and infantry anti tank weapons

the allies burst through the west wall and encircle ruhr, whilst the german army continues to fight tooth and nail on the vistula

ensue allied unopposed advance

What do the final borders of Germany look like after the war then? Do the Soviets still get an occupation zone?
 

Hkelukka

Banned
What would the allies really do if the US was at or near its OTL extent and the German army was still deep in Poland? Keeping in mind that the entire german proper is essentially ungarrisoned and most of the german population is trickling across the OTL border into their zone. would the simply walk over to the pre-war borders and stop?
 
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