It was,though,your dear old good Kaiser Billy did happily endorse Houston Stewart Chamberlain's racial theory.For the record this" Master Race"-Bullshit was not part of Imperial Germany!
And on the plus side of german colonialism: It was not just "let robb those colony til nothing is left". Germany at least took that "we want to educate and civilize" serious! Germany invested more money in its colonys than it got out of them.
The Germans tried that trick with Spain and the United States in 1898. They, the Germans, were rewarded with intensely negative results. Japan took what she wanted in 1914-1918 and then the Americans did so in 1941-1945.Unless of course the Germans are strategic about it and let Japan have a few desolate rocks in exchange for being best buddies...
Also,French colonialism was actually much more invested into the "civilizing mission " thing ,but why don't I see this sub being as kind to it ……For the record this" Master Race"-Bullshit was not part of Imperial Germany!
And on the plus side of german colonialism: It was not just "let robb those colony til nothing is left". Germany at least took that "we want to educate and civilize" serious! Germany invested more money in its colonys than it got out of them.
As long there are clowns and cowards who spread the lies that people should just have submitted the the mighty German (and to a wider degree,Imperialist)overlords.Here we go again... 🙄
Which was not a government sanctioned genocide nor a government planned one. (Which doesn't change the fact that it was one)I'm not entirely sure the Herero would agree with you. What with the genocide and everything.
Well the problem probably is that frech colonialism lasted longer and ended in blood often.Also,French colonialism was actually much more invested into the "civilizing mission " thing ,but why don't I see this sub being as kind to it ……
Which was not a government sanctioned genocide nor a government planned one. (Which doesn't change the fact that it was one)
Not an apologist for German Imperialism... the Herero/Nama genocide was a horrid affair. But, it was one of quite a few black marks in the black book of colonial endeavours, and sadly wasn't that unique...Actually, the German government supported the actions taken by the people on the spot with extra resources.
The German government carried responsibility for the actions.
I get very tired of Imperial German apologism.
How did you know that was directed toward you?As long there are clowns and cowards who spread the lies that people should just have submitted the the mighty German (and to a wider degree,Imperialist)overlords.
Then there need to be someone who fight against such lies.
One estimate of the death toll from the French "pacification" of Algeria is 825,000, over a 45-year period....Which was not a government sanctioned genocide nor a government planned one. (Which doesn't change the fact that it was one)
Well the problem probably is that frech colonialism lasted longer and ended in blood often.
I'm not entirely sure the Herero would agree with you. What with the genocide and everything.
Bailing out of here, right now.
Watch for that anvil.... Geronimooooo!!!Bailing out of here, right now.
WiseBailing out of here, right now.
Would the world have been better off if the Central Powers win WW1, or not? Assuming there is not another world war 20 years later?
Oh, please DO expand on this.Which was not a government sanctioned genocide nor a government planned one. (Which doesn't change the fact that it was one)
Well the problem probably is that frech colonialism lasted longer and ended in blood often.
Oh, please DO expand on this.
Within four Hours of your next log in.
Otherwise I will read it as it appears to be.
Insulting me is not a good way to improvea an already tenuous position, one that I chose to give you an opportunity to clarify rather than simply act on the plain reading of your post.If you understood the importance of legal subtleties, I wouldn't have to.
But if you honestly care for my reasoning lets look at the facts:
The order which started the genocide was given by von Trotha on 2nd October 1904 himself on his own responsibility and without consulting his superiors, not by the general staff, not by the chancelor or the minister of war and not by the emperor. He merely informed them[1]
Members of the Reichstag correctly protested that this order would mean genocide.[2]
Further on the 8th December 1904 Wilhelms II ordered von Trotha to grant mercy to noncombatants. On the 9th the general staff revoked von Trothas order and ordered him not to continue with his course of action. The consequence of this was that von Trotha had to rescind his order, which he did on the 12th December 1904[3]
Did the government and the general staff grant von Trotha too much leeway in the beginning? Yes!
Did the then german government and general staff react fast enough? HELL NO!
But after the full extent of the consequences of his order became known to them they at least tried to stop it.
Therefore in the juridical sense it was not a government ordered or sanctioned genocide.
For the record im NOT saying it wasn't a genocide! It sure was one!
But in the juridical sense there is a distinction. Yes it is small, but it is one that matters. This is also one of the reasons why it took till 2021 for Germany to finally agree to an compensation for Herero and Nama.
Sorry sources are in german
[1]-Bundesarchiv Potsdam, Akten des Reichskolonialamtes, RKA, 10.01 2089, Bl. 23, Handschriftliche Abschrift der Proklamation an das Volk der Herero und des Zusatzbefehls an die Kaiserliche Schutztruppe, 2. Oktober 1904. Vgl. Der Einsatz der Telegraphie im Krieg gegen Afrikaner (http://sundoc.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/diss-online/04/05H118/t8.pdf; 1,4 MB), S. 195.
[2]-Verhandlungen des Deutschen Reichstages, 5. Sitzung vom 2. Dezember 1905 (digitale-sammlungen.de)
[3]-Gesine Krüger: Kriegsbewältigung und Geschichtsbewußtsein. Realität, Deutung und Verarbeitung des deutschen Kolonialkriegs in Namibia 1904 bis 1907. Göttingen 1999, ISBN 3-525-35796-6, S. 53. and Dominik J. Schaller: «Ich glaube, dass die Nation als solche vernichtet werden muss»: Kolonialkrieg und Völkermord in «Deutsch-Südwestafrika» 1904–1907. In: Journal of genocide research. Band 6, 2004, Ausg. 3, ISSN 1462-3528, S. 395–430, hier: S. 398, doi:10.1080/1462352042000265864.