Would Pilsudski have allied with Hitler had he lived?

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To be fair, though, Hungary did have the choice of making nice with the Little Entente. It instead chose to ally with Nazi Germany in the hopes of getting some spoils.
I can go back and check some sources I have, but I'm fairly sure that by 1938 Hungary was highly dependent on Germany economically, so didn't really have the ability to side with the Little Entente even if they wanted to.

You know, I wonder just how critical Danzig was to Poland in 1939. I mean, sure, trade through Gdynia is harder, but Poland's a tough country and it thus seems like she'd e capable of finding some way to make it work. Plus, she can always redirect some of her trade from Danzig to Gdynia--as well as to Latvia if she really wanted to.
I'm sure they could make do, but they'd be taking a pretty serious economic hit if they weren't able to use Danzig at all. Trading through Latvia probably wasn't much of an option.

Good luck finding a country that would accept so many Polish Jews in such a short time period. Indeed, it seems more likely that the Nazis would demand that they be send off to either Siberia or Madagascar. :(
Palestine. That was the point of Jewish radicals seizing the country and allowing unlimited Jewish migration.
 
I can go back and check some sources I have, but I'm fairly sure that by 1938 Hungary was highly dependent on Germany economically, so didn't really have the ability to side with the Little Entente even if they wanted to.

Why was Hungary so dependent on German trade, though?

I'm sure they could make do, but they'd be taking a pretty serious economic hit if they weren't able to use Danzig at all. Trading through Latvia probably wasn't much of an option.

Was Latvia too far away?

Palestine. That was the point of Jewish radicals seizing the country and allowing unlimited Jewish migration.

That would only occur in the late 1940s, though. The Nazis might want Polish Jews out before that point in time.
 
What's that line from Poland in the late 30's. Oh, yah. The one about Germany and Russia. Where with one they would lose their freedom. With the other they would loose their soul.
 

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Why was Hungary so dependent on German trade, though?
The only country that was economically feasible to export to and import from that needed/wanted their trade was Germany.

Was Latvia too far away?
Yes, plus besides the transport costs Latvia would charge taxes on imports and exports for foreign use of their ports, like Germany could/would do with Danzig.

That would only occur in the late 1940s, though. The Nazis might want Polish Jews out before that point in time.
It could happen a lot sooner without WW2 as we know it with continuous Polish and potentially German support. Besides the Germans wouldn't really have a say on internal Polish matters like that before actively taking over the government going by the history of Hungary or other occupied European states in WW2 (like Denmark, who's Jews were safe by agreement until 1943 despite the German occupation).
 
The only country that was economically feasible to export to and import from that needed/wanted their trade was Germany.

Why not France and Italy?

Yes, plus besides the transport costs Latvia would charge taxes on imports and exports for foreign use of their ports, like Germany could/would do with Danzig.

Understood.

BTW, what about letting Poland keep Danzig's port facilities while the rest of Danzig rejoins Germany?

It could happen a lot sooner without WW2 as we know it with continuous Polish and potentially German support. Besides the Germans wouldn't really have a say on internal Polish matters like that before actively taking over the government going by the history of Hungary or other occupied European states in WW2 (like Denmark, who's Jews were safe by agreement until 1943 despite the German occupation).

Nazi Germany initially supported Zionism, no? It ultimately didn't make the British more receptive to the idea of a Jewish state in Palestine.

Also, Yes, Poland would be able to protect its Jews as long as it remains the authority inside of its own house.
 

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Why not France and Italy?
For the reasons I wrote.


Understood.

BTW, what about letting Poland keep Danzig's port facilities while the rest of Danzig rejoins Germany?
What's the point of doing so especially when they're German owned, the port is a critical part of the city economy, and the city could still shut down traffic if they wanted.

Nazi Germany initially supported Zionism, no? It ultimately didn't make the British more receptive to the idea of a Jewish state in Palestine.

Also, Yes, Poland would be able to protect its Jews as long as it remains the authority inside of its own house.
Nazi Germany had the Haavara Agreement with German Jews leaving the country.
The entire point of using violent revolutionaries to seize control over Palestine was to make British desires irrelevant and then use the planned flood of European Jews to colonize the country and win out against any Arab counterrevolution.
 
What's the point of doing so especially when they're German owned, the port is a critical part of the city economy, and the city could still shut down traffic if they wanted.

The logic would be to find a suitable compromise for Poland to accept.

Nazi Germany had the Haavara Agreement with German Jews leaving the country.
The entire point of using violent revolutionaries to seize control over Palestine was to make British desires irrelevant and then use the planned flood of European Jews to colonize the country and win out against any Arab counterrevolution.

So, you are expecting the Nazis and Poles to aggressively support such violent revolutionaries and being patient enough to wait for these revolutionaries to actually achieve results?
 

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The logic would be to find a suitable compromise for Poland to accept.
Those sorts of pointless compromises don't really work for anyone. Poland would want to keep the Free State free.

So, you are expecting the Nazis and Poles to aggressively support such violent revolutionaries and being patient enough to wait for these revolutionaries to actually achieve results?
Yes, they have much more to gain than by the alternative.
 
Those sorts of pointless compromises don't really work for anyone. Poland would want to keep the Free State free.

Understood.

Yes, they have much more to gain than by the alternative.

The alternative would be to deport the Jews to Siberia. I'm not sure that this would be a worse alternative from a Nazi perspective since giving the Jews their own state could result in problems for the Nazis later on if they do something that severely pisses off the Jews. After all, Israel is capable of assassinating foreign leaders.

Also, where exactly is Palestine going to get the infrastructure from to sustain an influx of several million Jews within, say, several years?
 
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