In my opinion Bay of Pigs shows clearly as US didn't understand nothing about Cuba: they thought Cubans were ready to revolt against Castro and in opposite they wholeheartedly supported him, they thought a small militia was sufficient to defeat Cuban army and they were so wrong, they thought Soviets wouldn't dare to sell arms to Cubans but they did it and largely. Castro was widely popular and Cubans were ready to fight for him. Cuban Revolutionary Army was created after years of guerrilla, so they were absolutely trained for this version of warfare. Sierra Maestra was their main base and will became probably a stronghold of Cuban resistence.
Of course, Cuba is not Vietnam, as there is not jungle and is logistically nearer that Indochina, but I suspect that US public opinion will not be quiet while she waits a decade-long war. Especially if the invasion will be sold an easy trip to Cuba to defeat Communists and smoke a cigar. So in conclusion the Castro Brothers and Che Guevara have a good chance to lead a difficult but ultimately victorious guerrilla war against US occupant forces, with Soviet supplies (they did it in Cuba under Baptista) and also international sympathy, more then Vietnam (it was invaded with Saigon's consensus and officially North Vietnam was never invaded. Cuba is a independent and recognized nation and invasion is explicitly led to overthrow its goverment, not to suppress insurgences against it). It's also possible a sort of '68 anticipated.
 
He is a failed VP nominee, and a Southerner in a time when there was still a stigma around putting a man from Dixie at the top of the ticket. Look at what happened when John Edwards tried it in 2008. LBJ was obviously a better politician than Edwards, but in '64 the Democrats will either want JFK in a rematch of 1960 or they'll seek out new blood to take on Nixon. In which case, Humphrey is a likely candidate.


In which case Nixon probably is re-elected.

In those days, Humphrey as seen as way out in left field. No quite as far outside the mainstream as Goldwater, but far enough.
 
In which case Nixon probably is re-elected.

In those days, Humphrey as seen as way out in left field. No quite as far outside the mainstream as Goldwater, but far enough.

But then again, Humphrey nearly beat Nixon in 1968 despite the war, the social disorder, and Wallace's third party campaign. Under different circumstances, Humphrey could beat Nixon.
 
But then again, Humphrey nearly beat Nixon in 1968 despite the war, the social disorder, and Wallace's third party campaign. Under different circumstances, Humphrey could beat Nixon.

But by then it was a totally different world politically. As part of the Johnson Administration, and associated with its Vietnam policy, Humphrey was now seen as the most conservative candidate that the Dems could have nominated. His old reputation as an extreme liberal was pretty much forgotten. TTL he still has that reputation and the Republicans can paint him as an ultraliberal.

Also, in this alt-1964 will George Wallace be running, and if he does, will he poll as well as in OTL's 1968? If not, presumably Nixon will benefit, since few Southerners could stomach the old, liberal HHH.
 
I could see either Humphrey or Wallace being the '64 nominee, but it's possible LBJ could take a crack at '68.

Wallace would have no chance of winning the Democratic nomination. Even in the ASB event that he wins in the primaries, a brokered convention would prevent his nomination.
 
Comparing Cuba to veatnam is not a very good comparison, Cuba dose not have a China to keep the us out of the rear areas necessary to supply garella forces and supplys will be impossible to get to the garella forces, I highly doubt it would be a quagmire for the us when compared to Iraq or the much worse jungles in veatnam.
 
the Soviets thought of Cuba the same way America thought of the Hungarian Revolution it's in their backyard we're not causing the end of the world for it. Cuba would not be communist in this timeline the Bay of Pigs invasion would succeed under Nixon. civil rights passes under Nixon in his first term as well.

I have a feeling though that Nixon with a victory in Cuba would think he could win in Vietnam Mission creep may become a real problem and I think Vietnam would become a deciding factor in the 1968 election but 64 Nixon would win in a landslide most likely against Governor Pat Brown. I don't see prominent Democrats running against what an undefeatable candidate in most people's eyes Nixon would be a very popular president in 1964 but by 1968 he could be in the same boat as Lyndon Baines Johnson

I really don't know about the Space Race but my money is the US gets to the Moon first considering the Soviets never landed in our timeline

1968 Republican primaries will be Barry Goldwater vs Nelson Rockefeller Nelson Rockefeller gets a slight Edge but many people may see him as just another Nixon

John F. Kennedy will still be a senator but will not run due to medical issues

Robert F. Kennedy may have become a senator in New York and has a good possibility of running if so

George McGovern is unlikely but it could happen

Lyndon B. Johnson will most likely be in a lot better health having not been president and will most likely run

Hubert Humphrey I think has the best chance to become the Democrat nominee

George Wallace will most likely run not win the primary and run as a third-party

the funny thing is you may have just made the President Ronald Reagan a Democrat considering how much the political ideology of the two-party are still in so much flux because of the Nixon victory in the 1960.
 
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My guess-Nixon takes out Castro at Bay of Pigs, knocks down Berlin Wall. Reelected over Humphrey in 1964. JFK assassinated in 1968-Rockefeller narrowly wins nomination and election, reelected in 1972. Bobby Kennedy beats Reagan in 1976, Reagan beats him in 1980,same since.
 
My guess-Nixon takes out Castro at Bay of Pigs, knocks down Berlin Wall. Reelected over Humphrey in 1964. JFK assassinated in 1968-Rockefeller narrowly wins nomination and election, reelected in 1972. Bobby Kennedy beats Reagan in 1976, Reagan beats him in 1980,same since.

Knocking down the Berlin Wall would start WWIII. Why would JFK be killed in 1968 if he isn't President? And I highly doubt that any Republican would win in this ATL 1968, let alone Rockefeller who was so hated by GOP conservatives. And even if he were, he is extremely unlikely to be re-elected in 1972. That would mean 24 straight years of Republican control, something that hasn't happened since Chester Arthur.
 
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