Would Hitler going to art school change anything?

[BlackDragon98]

So were my own efforts - but I don''t expect them to end up at the d'Orsey

I mean, that's one of the less likely outcomes of him going to art school.
It's more likely that he eventually pursues architecture and designs buildings and stuff.

 

[Deleted member 94680]

I mean, that's one of the less likely outcomes of him going to art school.
It's more likely that he eventually pursues architecture and designs buildings and stuff.

OTL, when he was rejected by the Institute:
The director suggested Hitler should apply to the School of Architecture, but he lacked the necessary academic credentials because he had not finished secondary school. (Wiki, referencing Bullock)

That, to me, suggests becoming an architect requires a professional qualification as opposed to the talent of being an artist.

 

[BlackDragon98]

OTL, when he was rejected by the Institute:
The director suggested Hitler should apply to the School of Architecture, but he lacked the necessary academic credentials because he had not finished secondary school. (Wiki, referencing Bullock)

That, to me, suggests becoming an architect requires a professional qualification as opposed to the talent of being an artist.

ITTL he manages to BS a high school diploma and becomes an architect.
It's not that hard to BS a high school diploma.

 

[Aghasverov]

If my ex-wife is anything to go by (she attended art school), he'd be even MORE insufferable.

Bwahahahah!

 

[Aghasverov]

I mean, that's one of the less likely outcomes of him going to art school.
It's more likely that he eventually pursues architecture and designs buildings and stuff.

I personally think he was probably too lazy/unfocused to pursue a technically demanding career path like architecture to its completion.... sure he could produce decent perspective architectural drawings, cityscapes, etc, but as far as the technical "brass tacks" of it, I just don't think he had it in him...
My vision of Hitler in an ATL is of a young Gefreiter (or possibly Leutnant, had he gotten his art degree), cashiered out of the Bavarian Army, unwanted back in his homeland, basically stateless, winding up as an itinerant artist, part of a German "lost generation" on the streets of Paris (he had an admiration for Paris, thought it and Budapest were the two most beautiful cities in Europe), slumping around in his Bavarian Army greatcoat peddling his watercolors of Hausmann's boulevards to anyone who would buy them... if politics came into play it would probably be him complaining that the Jewish art dealers of Paris were no better than those of Vienna, wouldn't know good art if it stared them in the face...

 

[Deleted member 94680]

ITTL he manages to BS a high school diploma and becomes an architect.
It's not that hard to BS a high school diploma.

Fair enough but he never BS’d a high school diploma OTL and I think things were a bit more formalised back then as well. That and it takes more than a high school diploma to be gain an architectural qualification from a School of Architecture.

 

[samcster94]

He probably would be a mediocre painter who couldn’t draw a human who’s work would be tainted by his extremely bigoted views. I can imagine some other right wing figure coming to power later on though.

 

[SurfboardingBikiniVampire]

Would there be a Holocaust without Hitler?

 

[mattep74]

If Hitler manages to get through art school he might have become a map maker, he might have been positioned in a scouting plane or baloon to make maps of the enemy trenches

 

[Deleted member 94680]

Would there be a Holocaust without Hitler?

Really depends on who gets into power instead of him, IMHO. A right-wing extremist organisation minus Hitler could still have a lot of the crazies that the Nazis had OTL surrounding Hitler and bring their abhorrent views with them.

 

[JanWellem]

There was one segment of architecture, where Hitler could have become quite successful, which boomed after the Great War: War memorials, since there, he wouldn't need to bother himself with questions of practicality, which, at least according to Albert Speer, was something, at which Hitler really sucked, both when it came to his ideas for the new Reich Chancellery in Berlin, which ended up having doors, guarded by guards of honour, leading to nowhere, and his Berghof residence above Berchtesgaden, where he was so fixated on the grand parlour having the most spectecular view of the Alps possible, that he completely neglected to include technical rooms like a pantry or a boiler room in his plans.

 

[Colonel Zoidberg]

The Strasserites (who were antisemitic but in the sense of the whole "global Zionist banking conspiracy" nonsense) might've fit that bill...

There was plenty of garden variety anti-Semitism back then. Even Wilhelm II was, as a former professor of mine described it, “stupidly anti-Semitic.” But that’s a far cry from chucking people in ovens and mowing them down as some sort of insane extermination campaign.

So anti-Semitism would probably still be something of an annoyance until someone gets a Hitler-esque idea and getting Jewish people a state - any state - becomes a thing.

 

[Aghasverov]

There was plenty of garden variety anti-Semitism back then. Even Wilhelm II was, as a former professor of mine described it, “stupidly anti-Semitic.” But that’s a far cry from chucking people in ovens and mowing them down as some sort of insane extermination campaign.

So anti-Semitism would probably still be something of an annoyance until someone gets a Hitler-esque idea and getting Jewish people a state - any state - becomes a thing.

Yeah, Kaiser Bill was known for having said some anti-Semitic things... he also liked beer. Some of his statements to that effect seem rather Mel-Gibson-post-DWI-arrest to me...
Also WII, in the grand tradition of Prussian monarchs who preceded him, seems to have had his "useful Jews"... If memory serves me, his favorite tailor, a frequented art-and-antiquities dealer, and his instructor in economics were among them...
I think a lot of people fail to realize just how FEW Jews there were in Germany prior to AH... For many Germans anti-Semitism just wasn't an issue - unless some idiot crank politician MADE it one. Sure, there were "volkisch" political parties in the German Empire that had blatantly anti-Semitic agendas... but they didn't get very many votes.
I could see a Strasserite-dominated party having sort of the same relationship with "Jewry" as Mussolini's Fascists did - decrying the whole "International Finance Conspiracy" thing, with its inherent dog-whistles, but not averse to a Jewish presence... there were several prominent Italian Fascists early on who were Jewish - one of whom was a mistress of Mussolini's...

 

[brunohusker]

There would probably be a painting by Hitler hanging in the Louvre museum today.

He wasn't that great of an artist. Was he terrible in the grand scheme of things, no, but its not like he was talented enough to be internationally known. He'd be the guy who'd be a good amateur artist but not necessarily amazing. Also he apparently couldn't draw or paint people that well.

 

[brunohusker]

There was plenty of garden variety anti-Semitism back then. Even Wilhelm II was, as a former professor of mine described it, “stupidly anti-Semitic.” But that’s a far cry from chucking people in ovens and mowing them down as some sort of insane extermination campaign.

So anti-Semitism would probably still be something of an annoyance until someone gets a Hitler-esque idea and getting Jewish people a state - any state - becomes a thing.

Might it be that anti-semitism is still an acceptable prejudice without the holocaust? Granted i'm guessing some form of naziism comes about even without Hitler.

 

[pls don't ban me]

ok, one thing i would like to point out, is how Hitler joined the German army: he renounced to his Austrian citizenship and for a short time he had no citizenship. after a while he managed to get the German one in Bavaria and then join the Reich army.
now, about his going to art school.
in my opinion, he will simply be the most common racist/antisemitic average guy in Wien . No one would judge him, Almost every European at the time was Racist, or antisemitic or both. What made Hitler the crazy piece of shit he was, was the lust of Power. His antisemitism had an exponential growth after he joined the DAP(NSDAP).
If he goes with art school he might become a good artist, not an icon to be remember, might we might see him make a painting of the alternative leader of Germany( another right-wing, Kaiser willy 3, a democrat).
Also, while everyone agrees that Germany would have gone fascist, they are forgetting that the military and the old junkers were hoping to reinstate the Kaiser( maybe willy 3 since his father had actually abdicated and was hated by everyone in Europe).

 

[Stardude82]

Hitler dies in the Brusilov offensive. In November 1923, the small debate/drinking club know as the DAP is completely blind sided by the announcement of Bavaria's independence by Generalstaatskommissar von Kahr. The triumvirate claiming power quickly move to consolidate power. Shortly after the announcement, the group is rounded up. Erich Ludendorf is taken to an audience with von Kahr and is told of the vision of Bavaria as a center of resistance to the Bolshevik infiltration of Greater Germany. Maybe not Ludendorf's first choice of action, but given the circumstances, shots of socialists being executed on the Theresienwiesen are ringing through the city, he agrees to back von Kahr's regime.

 

[CalBear]

idk about you guys but some of his architectural and flowers arts are pretty good.

Questionable links removed.

Given your most recent action, posting things from "Hitler.com" is a REALLY bad choice.

REALLY, REALLY BAD.

 

[Ficboy]

Adolf Hitler going to art school would mean his entire political career as head of the Nazi Party is butterflied away. On the other hand, assuming if World War I ends the same way as OTL then Adolf Hitler as an artist will not really change anything whatsoever as another person like Gregor Strasser (one of the creators of Strasserism a socialist, anti-capitalist revolutionary form of Nazism) or Alfred Rosenberg (the author of The Myth of the 20th Century) for instance could have become the leader of the Nazi Party and by extension Nazi Germany we might even see a World War II that starts and ends the same way like in our world. We'd likely remember Adolf Hitler as that Austrian artist with a weird mustache rather than the misguided murderer and dictator most of us know (not counting the neo-Nazi and anti-Semitic types out there in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand).

 

[redjirachi]

People on the internet compare people they don't like to Drexler or Strasser instead