No great pruge and the Soviet Union quickly and easily takes over and annexs Finland.would germany still Attack the Soviet Union. It's was the soviets poor performance in the winter war that encouraged him.
Isn't this basically a situation where the German best case is
http://lparchive.org/War-in-the-East-Don-to-the-Danube/
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Yeah, it's got Finland Axis because it's basically a competent USSR but starting from OTL Barbarossa.Hmm. This ATL shows a better German performance for AGN & AGC, but it appears that ITTL Finland is Axis. The OP has Finland Soviet-annexed. So no Northern Front except on a very narrow line of advance. On AGS they seem to match the same line of advance as the SPI play-tested one I described.
I couldn't describe what happened in 1944-45 because it depended too much on actions in the West and because admittedly SPI's game system regarding the War in the West was horribly outdated (it was designed in the 1960s). But the game system for the War in the East was and (mostly) is still viable, except for the economics of German War Production (no recognition of German Strategic Resource Restrictions).
Isn't this basicallya situation where the German best case is
http://lparchive.org/War-in-the-East-Don-to-the-Danube/
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Good Let's Play, and you actually see in the LP itself where the Germans shoot Hitler - suddenly the army falls back and gives up ground to maintain a safe line!
End result? At heavy cost, the Germans just manage to reach a line of clearing out the Baltics (no Siege of Leningrad), Smolensk, and a line holding on the Dneipr River. The Crimea is held, much of the Ukraine breadbasket remains in Soviet hands.
Case: Blue reads like another bloodbath with at best the Germans reaching their 1941 stop line in 1942, though without the wild breakthroughs of OTL they are saved from the disasters of Typhoon (less General Winter), the Caucasus, and Stalingrad.
Case: Blue reads like another bloodbath with at best the Germans reaching their 1941 stop line in 1942, though without the wild breakthroughs of OTL they are saved from the disasters of Typhoon (less General Winter), the Caucasus, and Stalingrad.
After that, 1943 requires a Not-Hitler Hitler, otherwise its Citadel on steroids, since the Heer won't have suffered the total destruction of whole divisions, corps, and armies. More like ghastly attrition as was suffered against the Western Allies in France 1944-45.
AISI, its good news for the Soviet People, with far less territory controlled by the Nazis, and PERHAPS good news for the Heer, without the disastrous LOCs and supply lines of OTL. A stronger Red Army in terms of manpower earlier in the war, with the manpower pool not as bottomed out by VE-Day as OTL.
This is largely a myth - Germany was actually on a war footing earlier than other nations, it's just that it took a while for them to get enough access to strategic materials (and build enough machine tools to use them) to get full productivity.Did this have anything to do with why Germany didn't put its economy on a war footing until it was too late?
I don't like when a POD gives a side a clear advantage (here the USSR) and yet in the long term it has no real positive benefit on their war effort.
The POD in the original thread is huge. It means that Kharkov and much of Ukraine does not fall. This means the USSR has a huge manpower and industrial advantage. The USSR might win the war by the end 1943, having millions of more men not killed o captured by the Nazis and an intact industrial capacity. The Nazis would be fairing so poorly by mid 1942 that by the time the US gets serious in the war, Torch might be in France instead of Africa and the British 8th army will take Africa on their own.
That makes just about any axis victory alt.hist ASB.
That makes just about any axis victory althist ASB.
I recall that OTL an objective look would have shown that the USSR was too powerful to risk attacking, but the assumptions were tweaked until an attack was possible... barely.Yes, because regardless of how strong the USSR actually was, Nazi ideology would have insisted that sub-human Bolsheviks would never match the German fighting man in skill and German industry in the ability to produce superior weaponry.