Would French victory in Mexico really prevent the Franco-Prussian War?

Would French victory in Mexico really prevent the Franco-Prussian War?


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This is a concept that I am still confused by. I've read in a few threads that if the French had succeeded in imposing the 2nd Mexican Empire then the Franco-Prussian War may have been prevented b/c one of its main causes was France's belief that it needed to show off its power after loosing in Mexico in OTL. Is this correct? I have read some posts by members who believe that the war still might occur so I'd like to hear how this still might be possible. Also I've read that some believe if the Franco-Prussian War had been avoided then a French-Prussian alliance could have occurred. Woudl this have been possible or is it ASB?
 
Ehm, the French *did* won most of the battles in which they faced the Republican army. It was a strategic blunder in 1865 in Chihuahua what allowed the Republic to keep on living. (So, had they surrounded the city instead of assaulting it directly would have caused the end of the republic)

However, the Franco-Prussian war was more or less set from even before the intervention began. The tensions between both countries over Alsace-Lorraine were still there.
 
Ehm, the French *did* won most of the battles in which they faced the Republican army. It was a strategic blunder in 1865 in Chihuahua what allowed the Republic to keep on living. (So, had they surrounded the city instead of assaulting it directly would have caused the end of the republic)

However, the Franco-Prussian war was more or less set from even before the intervention began. The tensions between both countries over Alsace-Lorraine were still there.
You are making this up there wan no tension over Alsace-Lorraine the Franco-Prussian war was not caused over Alsace-Lorraine but by the Ems Telegram.
 
in short, no;
even with mexico as a puppet state, its not going to help (and will probably end up pissing the Americans off.

Mexico will need Generations before it will be any help to the french (needs to build a good economy, powerful army, navy capable of power projection.)

So, no matter what when france declares war; they lose and mexico becomes a republic again.

oh, and as ^^ said; the Prussians only took Alscase-Loraine to give germany an upperhand and take away frances natural border with them.
 
in short, no;
even with mexico as a puppet state, its not going to help (and will probably end up pissing the Americans off.

Mexico will need Generations before it will be any help to the french (needs to build a good economy, powerful army, navy capable of power projection.)

So, no matter what when france declares war; they lose and mexico becomes a republic again.

oh, and as ^^ said; the Prussians only took Alscase-Loraine to give germany an upperhand and take away frances natural border with them.
France is not going to declare war if it has nothing to prove.
 
France is not going to declare war if it has nothing to prove.

If France doesnt declare war then there is always another time, the NGF will drive them to war at some point because that is necessary for the formation of a Pan-German state and they will almost definitely not leave the unification half done.
 
If France doesnt declare war then there is always another time, the NGF will drive them to war at some point because that is necessary for the formation of a Pan-German state and they will almost definitely not leave the unification half done.

That makes me want to bring up the possible France-Prussia alliance that I mentioned above. I can't remember where I read about but some one thought it was possible. What I'd like to know is if it really could have been a possibility for the Prussia to align with France even after having the incentive to do so with the rest of Germany instead? I'll admit it would make things interesting, but is it possible?
 
If France doesnt declare war then there is always another time, the NGF will drive them to war at some point because that is necessary for the formation of a Pan-German state and they will almost definitely not leave the unification half done.
They had a window of opportunity it was 1870 or never. I don't see how having war with France is necessary to unite Germany.
 
Victory implies that French arms had secured Maximilian on the throne, and so Louis Napoleon could return most of his army (and strategic focus) to Europe, where it would presumably deter the nascent Prussian threat. IIRC limited Austrian and Egyptian contingents fought in Mexico, in time they might have supplanted the French soldiers if they were needed elsewhere. In any event,the French expedition to mexico was more-or less contingent on the vacuum of power created by the US civil war.
A significant rationale for Germany annexing Alsace-Lorraine was its mineral wealth, particularly iron ore. The states that would form Germany had ample coal but limited iron ore;beyond simply depriving France of these resources, the revenue created a brief economic boom that helped finance German adoption of the gold standard.
 
They had a window of opportunity it was 1870 or never. I don't see how having war with France is necessary to unite Germany.

Because no german-wank can be complete without a french-screw of course, that's why Germany always end up with Alsace-Moselle, even when there is no reason to do it (like with a POD in 1848).
 
Because no german-wank can be complete without a french-screw of course, that's why Germany always end up with Alsace-Moselle, even when there is no reason to do it (like with a POD in 1848).

I started doing a TL that was sorta-kinda a German-wank that had Germany unify with France retaining Alsace-Lorraine once. :p
 
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