Would communist China lead to some level of popular support for Manchukuo

Say Japan doesn't go to war with the Western Allies and withdraws from the bulk of mainland China with the CCP taking power in the aftermath at somepoint in the mid 1940s.

Given the communist threat would this lead to some level of popular support for Manchukuo among the Han population over the decades.
 
Depends on if the Japanese (and puppet Manchukuo by extension) get a reputation for being brutal, bloodthirsty assholes. If they’re better at running things than the CCP and don’t kill too many people in dickish ways, they could be seen as a viable alternative.
 
Depends on if the Japanese (and puppet Manchukuo by extension) get a reputation for being brutal, bloodthirsty assholes. If they’re better at running things than the CCP and don’t kill too many people in dickish ways, they could be seen as a viable alternative.

Yes, you would have to have a POD that has the Japanese run it better than Mao ran China. This isn't particularly difficult theoretically. Being less brutal than Mao is not exactly a high bar. Sadly the Japanese Militarists didn't even make this very low bar. Even a very strict Japan that avoids the most insane of its policies is good enough to do so.
 
Is it likely for upper and middle class Chinese to flee to Manchukuo or the rest of the Japanese empire with a communist take over
 
Is it likely for upper and middle class Chinese to flee to Manchukuo or the rest of the Japanese empire with a communist take over

Again it depends on the Japanese in TTL. If Japan is remotely sane (unlike ours) it is a real possibility. The working class is likely to flee there too if there is still the Great Leap Forward. Maoism loses its appeal if the best way to avoid starvation is to move to Manchukuo.
 

BigBlueBox

Banned
Again it depends on the Japanese in TTL. If Japan is remotely sane (unlike ours) it is a real possibility. The working class is likely to flee there too if there is still the Great Leap Forward. Maoism loses its appeal if the best way to avoid starvation is to move to Manchukuo.
I doubt that the Japanese would accept any but the wealthiest of Chinese. They want to maintain a balance of ethnicities in Manchukuo, not make it 99% Han.
 
"We found that the Japanese occupation of this large part of China was not justified on the grounds of self-defence and that the new state which was set up was a Japanese protectorate rather than a case of Manchurian self-determination",-The Lytton Report

This report was commissioned by the League of Nations and it indicted the Japanese for their invasion of Manchuria and set forth the League's policy towards the Manchurian crisis.

Mr. Lytton was correct. The Manchukuo state was only a country in name only. The Japanese controlled the affairs of their puppet regime in the region and modelled it's government after the one in Tokyo by instituting a cult of Emperor worship around Pu Yi and allowing the Manchurian police to arrest anyone for 'thought crimes'. In regards to it's legal system, every issue of the Manchukuo Legal Advisory Journal always contained a summary of the most recent rulings by the Supreme Court of Japan, and the reasons why the Japanese Supreme Court had ruled in these cases.

Manchukuo had an extensive system of courts at four levels staffed by a mixture of Chinese and Japanese judges. All of the courts had both two Japanese and two Chinese judges with the Chinese serving as the nominal superior judges and the Japanese the junior judges, but in practice the Japanese judges were the masters and the Chinese judges puppets.

Though, a interesting fact is that Manchukuo became the place where Japanese judges would go if they couldn't cut it in Japan. This was because the more competent Japanese judges did not want their decisions to be second guessed by the Kwuntung Army, who held the real power in Manchukuo. By contrast, the best of the ethnic Chinese law schools graduates in Manchukuo chose to work as part of Manchukuo's judicial system, suggesting many middle-class Chinese families were prepared to accept Manchukuo
.
In Manchukuo schools, Japanese was the primary language taught. Chinese was secondary.

Manchukuo did experience rapid economic growth during it's brief existence, but this growth was for the benefit of the Japanese military who made Manchukuo into a 'national defence state' in which the Manchurian people would be mobilized for war even during peacetime.

The Japanese influence over the Manchukuo state would have to be lessened in order for the people of the region to accept it as a legitimate country, though this would defeat the purpose of creating Manchukuo altogether, as Japan wanted Manchukuo to be a showcase of the 'civilization' it would bring to Asia.
 
This report was commissioned by the League of Nations and it indicted the Japanese for their invasion of Manchuria and set forth the League's policy towards the Manchurian crisis.

Mr. Lytton was correct. The Manchukuo state was only a country in name only. The Japanese controlled the affairs of their puppet regime in the region and modelled it's government after the one in Tokyo by instituting a cult of Emperor worship around Pu Yi and allowing the Manchurian police to arrest anyone for 'thought crimes'. In regards to it's legal system, every issue of the Manchukuo Legal Advisory Journal always contained a summary of the most recent rulings by the Supreme Court of Japan, and the reasons why the Japanese Supreme Court had ruled in these cases.

Manchukuo had an extensive system of courts at four levels staffed by a mixture of Chinese and Japanese judges. All of the courts had both two Japanese and two Chinese judges with the Chinese serving as the nominal superior judges and the Japanese the junior judges, but in practice the Japanese judges were the masters and the Chinese judges puppets.

Though, a interesting fact is that Manchukuo became the place where Japanese judges would go if they couldn't cut it in Japan. This was because the more competent Japanese judges did not want their decisions to be second guessed by the Kwuntung Army, who held the real power in Manchukuo. By contrast, the best of the ethnic Chinese law schools graduates in Manchukuo chose to work as part of Manchukuo's judicial system, suggesting many middle-class Chinese families were prepared to accept Manchukuo
.
In Manchukuo schools, Japanese was the primary language taught. Chinese was secondary.

Manchukuo did experience rapid economic growth during it's brief existence, but this growth was for the benefit of the Japanese military who made Manchukuo into a 'national defence state' in which the Manchurian people would be mobilized for war even during peacetime.

The Japanese influence over the Manchukuo state would have to be lessened in order for the people of the region to accept it as a legitimate country, though this would defeat the purpose of creating Manchukuo altogether, as Japan wanted Manchukuo to be a showcase of the 'civilization' it would bring to Asia.
It's kinda like asking "what if Leopold II ruled Congo putting the africans lifes over profits?" As long as the difference in power allowed it, why not maximize short term profits? Unless there is some kind of geopolitical concern forcing you to both stay in the region and threat natives "well", colonialism has no reasons to not be as inhumane as posible to profit. If a region is not profitable or geopolitically useful just sell it to someone else or "let it go" to show how "magnanimous" you are.
 
It's kinda like asking "what if Leopold II ruled Congo putting the africans lifes over profits?" As long as the difference in power allowed it, why not maximize short term profits? Unless there is some kind of geopolitical concern forcing you to both stay in the region and threat natives "well", colonialism has no reasons to not be as inhumane as posible to profit. If a region is not profitable or geopolitically useful just sell it to someone else or "let it go" to show how "magnanimous" you are.

Exactly. Manchukuo was deliberately tied into the Japanese Empire as a colonial vassal. If you're going to lessen your authority over it, then what's the point of the venture?
 
Top