Would British America include all the Continental US?

With a few exceptions its most likely that territorial expansion will be uncontrollable from London. Its entirely likely, much as in other parts of their global empire, the British with extend in 'fits of madness'.

Russian Alaska was a profitable venture for the Russian-American Company. Its very much a near Russian equivalent to the East India Company and the Hudson Bay Company. It was the Russian Government had decided Alaska wasn't worth the cost of defense etc.
 
This left Iturbide free to give himself a way to get the throne. Whether he was deadset on this is uncertain.

I seem to recall that Iturbide was actually really unhappy to take the throne, largely because he foresaw his demise, expecting not to be universally accepted. However, he really had little choice. The army wanted him, there were no alternative candidates and it would be the death of him, at least metaphorically, to publically change his mind and withdraw from politics.
 
I see British America (or whatever it may have come to be called) encompassing perhaps most of the US and all of Canada, save with a loss of Alaska, and perhaps only half of the Mexican concession area (since I do think Mexico would gain independence and run into conflict with the ever expanding British), with all sorts of mass Indian reservations and Indian territories in between. There could, of course, be breakaway nations as well as I see a revolutionary spirit running still in many Americans and the fact that when you own that much land, cracks will come through in the order of things (analogies of Cascadia, Texas, perhaps the South breaking away in a second American Rebellion over the British abolition of slavery).

Russian Alaska was a profitable venture for the Russian-American Company. Its very much a near Russian equivalent to the East India Company and the Hudson Bay Company. It was the Russian Government had decided Alaska wasn't worth the cost of defense etc.
Actually, I believe Russian America was considered more trouble than it was worth. The huge shipping costs from Alaska to Russia (the key area being European Russia) alone made that colony rather unprofitable for the motherland IIRC.
 
Someone brought this up, so let me clarify:

By British America, I mean an America that becomes a Canada-style Dominion that self-governs, not an America that is ruled by London. It is united with Canada under the name of the Commonwealth of North America or something similar.
 
Someone brought this up, so let me clarify:

By British America, I mean an America that becomes a Canada-style Dominion that self-governs, not an America that is ruled by London. It is united with Canada under the name of the Commonwealth of North America or something similar.

Well, that's a bit specific really, the abstract concept of a British North America is much-more worthwhile discussion.
 
The main thing I wanted to establish was that I didn't have the idea that the US would stay under direct British rule forever. Other than that I'm fuzzy on the details.
 
We're not really concerning ourselves with the political establishment of this hypothetical BNA, merely the geographical, so it wouldn't matter. But really, this BNA would be administered with Canada, not apart from it.
 
Yes, it would be united with Canada.

So what we have for now is:

Gets Oregon Territory same as Britain acquired it OTL, keeps it.

Gets Louisiana Territory in next war with France.

Takes Texas, Northern California, Utah, Colorado, Nevada from Mexico at some point.

Acquires Alaska at some point from Russia.

Mexico keeps Southern California, Arizona and New Mexico.
 
I re-ititerate: if America's self-governing, you can bet they'll definately take as much as Mexico as possible, since expansion was seen as a good thing by Americans of all stripes (the consequences, of course, like slavery being introduced or whatever, being another matter entirely).

Getting all of the OTL lands is back on the table now, if not more-perhaps more southern lands taken to ensure the Southern provinces have balance against the greater north...even if slavery is abolished earlier, there's enough economic differences beyond that that they'd still want some equal balance/representation.

I've said all I can without repeating myself, so I shuddup now. :p
 
I re-ititerate: if America's self-governing, you can bet they'll definately take as much as Mexico as possible, since expansion was seen as a good thing by Americans of all stripes (the consequences, of course, like slavery being introduced or whatever, being another matter entirely).

Getting all of the OTL lands is back on the table now, if not more-perhaps more southern lands taken to ensure the Southern provinces have balance against the greater north...even if slavery is abolished earlier, there's enough economic differences beyond that that they'd still want some equal balance/representation.

I've said all I can without repeating myself, so I shuddup now. :p
Another Irony, is What Emperor Norton I Alluded to ...

Would The Southern Provinces Simply Eventually get Fed up, as The Southern States did in OTL ...

Would we See a Second ARW, And if So, What would Happen?

:eek:
 
Another Irony, is What Emperor Norton I Alluded to ...

Would The Southern Provinces Simply Eventually get Fed up, as The Southern States did in OTL ...

Would we See a Second ARW, And if So, What would Happen?

:eek:

Crushed, of course. Heavens be they attempt to leave the glory of the empire! :D
 
I'd imagine they become self-governing around the time Canada did(unless anyone thinks that is wrong).

An attempt at Revolution by the Southern States would be crushed I think, since the North would be even more powerful with Canada and the Empire behind it.
 
I'd imagine they become self-governing around the time Canada did(unless anyone thinks that is wrong).

An attempt at Revolution by the Southern States would be crushed I think, since the North would be even more powerful with Canada and the Empire behind it.

Aye.

My personal, happy, totally unrealistic Turtledovian Britmerica sees Responsible Government forming as the end result of an averted ARW in the 1770s and thence Dominion/independent status in the time of the European upheavals of the 1830s-1840s (albeit, it's obviously done far more peacefully and amicably). Which is just in time for them to do a Mexican-American War on their own terms if they so desire.
 
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