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Post-Reconquista Spanish blood purity laws predate Atlantic Slave Trade by several decades.
Hm, I concede the point then.
Post-Reconquista Spanish blood purity laws predate Atlantic Slave Trade by several decades.
Post-Reconquista Spanish blood purity laws predate Atlantic Slave Trade by several decades.
Spain made their caste system, but a better yard stick would be the debate on weither the natives have souls, and if Jesus died for them. When NA was first discovered this was a massive debate in the Catholic church at large. Eventually it was decided that they did have souls and were in fact humans. So the Spanish crown would actually create protections for their native subjects, just the local nobles didn't care, and well the crown did care enough to know if their rules were being enforced or notBlood purity laws were originally based on religion, not race. It was only in the colonies that the concept was repurposed.
On a related note, did the Spanish ever deny that the Natives were human as did chattel slavers with Africans?
Spain made their caste system, but a better yard stick would be the debate on weither the natives have souls, and if Jesus died for them. When NA was first discovered this was a massive debate in the Catholic church at large. Eventually it was decided that they did have souls and were in fact humans. So the Spanish crown would actually create protections for their native subjects, just the local nobles didn't care, and well the crown did care enough to know if their rules were being enforced or not
I mean it shows that the Catholics actually cared about the Natives as they actually considered them as people and wanted to save their "souls", while Protestants generally regarded them as inhuman "heathens" like I am pretty sure that if Britain was Catholic, the colonials in North America and Australia would be in better numbers and conditions compared to OTL. What about South Africa, the Afrikaans were very Calvinist, and even after the Natives were converted, they still didn't get along with them at all compared to Mexico. Look at Brazil, they had pretty much the same deal as the South US, actually worse as slavery lasted longer and was much more brutal, but they didn't put a system to separate or completely put down the blacks. There especially wasn't something as prejudice as the one drop rule.
Your arguments are frankly overgeneralising and also brings the Godwin point a bit too fast for my taste.I guess things would be less "racist" (whatever that means), but they would by no means be better. OP, you seem to forget the history of brutality under Catholic regimes, not to mention that world's most famous fascists (Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco) were all Catholic or at least raised Catholic.
While you could argue that a Catholic world would be better for Mexicans and Native Americans, it would be worse for Jews, scientists, gays, Muslims, Orthodox Christians, industry, peasants, and pagans.
To be honest, I think a world without Protestantism would be far worse. I'd gladly take Anglo racism over anti-enlightenment Catholic despotism and classism.
The Catholic Church's action pre-1800's were directed against other religions, NOT race or ethnicity. According to the Catholic Church back then, it didn't matter what ethnicity or skin color you were, all that was important was that you were a faithful Catholic Christian. This was one reason why France was the friendliest of the colonial powers to Native Americans as they would accept them if they just lived in peace as Catholics. In Europe the Church supported Poland because they were for the most part strong defenders of Catholicism in the religious wars. It didn't matter that they were Slavic but that they kept true to the faith. The only racism you're talking about came from Spain's corrupted, zealous version of Catholicism. Even in Latin America most blacks/natives were accepted, the difference was that they weren't given as many opportunities or positions of power as Creoles and Peninsulares. The best example of this is in Asia were Catholic missionaries tried to adapt to local customs and were even willing to mix beliefs with certain Shinto/Confucian concepts. The main way a mass Catholic reformation would happen would be through the different customs of the non-Latin rite churches, such as the Eastern Catholic churches. If other rites were created in Asia then the church hierarchy in the main Latin rite might be willing to reform if there were liberal minded men in the College of Cardinals.
Racism isn't a real thing.
Do you think, if things were inverse, that they would treat us not like shit? Nice memes. There have been exceptions, but they were short lived because they were naive to think real multiculturalism can work with extremely distant peoples without everyone attempting to murder each other.
He's obviously a troll. Just ignore him.I'm sorry, I must be misunderstanding you. It looks like you're saying that racism doesn't actually exist. Can you explain what you mean here?
EDIT: And who's "they"?
He's obviously a troll. Just ignore him.