Would a Manchurian identity develop if Manchukuo survives?

It really depends on how long the two nations are separate, and the reason for their separation. There should be a profound ideological split between the two to maximise the effect.
 
It really depends on how long the two nations are separate, and the reason for their separation. There should be a profound ideological split between the two to maximise the effect.

And the elites in Manchukuo have every reason to increase the split and exaggerate it. If they get absorbed by China they lose power.
 
Reinventing/modernizing language and writing even if the majority of the populace isn't "trained" in its origins for the purpose to form an own identity ... there's a well established template and living example for :

Israel and "New Hebrew" or "Ivrit" as its called in its own​

... and if done with japanese ... "help" also still serving the latters ambitions.
Hebrew is an interesting edge case, it wasn't used for everyday purposes but it was kept on life support for religious reasons. A lot of the modern Hebrew vocabulary, especially relating to science and technology, is based on German, but a modern Hebrew speaker can understand most of the original Hebrew in the old testament. It would be similar to a contemporary English speaker reading Shakespeare, there would be some archaic words here and there but it's basically intelligible.
 
Hebrew is an interesting edge case, it wasn't used for everyday purposes but it was kept on life support for religious reasons. A lot of the modern Hebrew vocabulary, especially relating to science and technology, is based on German, but a modern Hebrew speaker can understand most of the original Hebrew in the old testament. It would be similar to a contemporary English speaker reading Shakespeare, there would be some archaic words here and there but it's basically intelligible.
Debatable. I wouldn't have known what was going on without various online summaries, whenever I read Shakespeare.
 
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Okay, I will say it. If Taiwan can and according to many has developed a distinct identity, why would a Manchurian/Manchu state be unable to?
 
Manchukuo was a puppet regime imposed by outside while Taiwan was created by Chinese exiles. One is imposed from outside the other is done internally. Not that it is impossible but it is much tougher.
 

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On the long run yeah, it wouldn't be like "Manchu" identity, it would be a lot more like Singapore or Taiwan

A good analogue would actually be north/south korea, where if the country is separated long enough both sides develop separate identity despite being same ethnicity and speaking same language

but it's heavily contagient on how long the separation lasts, East Germany didn't really have its own national identity by the 1990s, neither did North Korea or even Taiwan really by then. But by the 2010s it's certainly there so you probably need the generation who remembers pre-separation to die off first.
 
On the long run yeah, it wouldn't be like "Manchu" identity, it would be a lot more like Singapore or Taiwan

A good analogue would actually be north/south korea, where if the country is separated long enough both sides develop separate identity despite being same ethnicity and speaking same language

but it's heavily contagient on how long the separation lasts, East Germany didn't really have its own national identity by the 1990s, neither did North Korea or even Taiwan really by then. But by the 2010s it's certainly there so you probably need the generation who remembers pre-separation to die off first.

Manchukuo was established about a decade and a half before that so you are talking the turn of the century.
 
I think that present-day Taiwan, where most of the population now consider themselves to be solely Taiwanese and not Chinese, is a perfect example of how half a century of political separation can forge a separate identity
 
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