Would a long lasting Ilkhanate suffer from the "Qing effect"?

I don't want to start a discussion about if the Manchus were chinese or not, but most of the modern chinese dislike a lot the Qing dynasty since they were ruled by manchus and not by Han, period.

Now, now, on a scenario were the Ilkhanate survived further than the 1600s AD, could some kind of attrition between the people and the mongol nobility rise? With the idea that they are under a foreign dynasty with no ties to the persian history?
 
I don't want to start a discussion about if the Manchus were chinese or not, but most of the modern chinese dislike a lot the Qing dynasty since they were ruled by manchus and not by Han, period.

Now, now, on a scenario were the Ilkhanate survived further than the 1600s AD, could some kind of attrition between the people and the mongol nobility rise? With the idea that they are under a foreign dynasty with no ties to the persian history?
The Safavids were Turks originally.

That should be enough to answer your question.
 
The Safavids were Turks originally.

That should be enough to answer your question.

Turks had already ruled over Persia, as the Seljuks for example, however the Ilkhanate was Mongols and they were not used to integrate on their local culture, the Mughals in india spoke their Uzbek accent until their final deposition in the 19th century.
 
What you're missing is that China had an almost racial outlook on the world, with a clear division between the civilized Chinese and the filthy barbarians. Persia did not have anything nearly like that.

the Mughals in india spoke their Uzbek accent until their final deposition in the 19th century.
The Mughals (who did not call themselves so) were Turks who spoke Persian. Not Mongols.
 
What you're missing is that China had an almost racial outlook on the world, with a clear division between the civilized Chinese and the filthy barbarians. Persia did not have anything nearly like that.


The Mughals (who did not call themselves so) were Turks who spoke Persian. Not Mongols.

I don’t know, Chinese who are outright hostile to Manchus tend to be southerners, especially Cantonese people. Northern Chinese are part “barbarian” by ancestry and weren’t all that hung up on it.

The main source of Qing unpopularity has to do with their utter failure at modernizing China in the 19th century. In large part due to the Manchu rulers fearing modernization would threaten their control of the Han majority. Had the dynasty fallen before China became dominated by the West, I think the Qing would be remembered for its earlier successes with territorial expansion instead of as “incompetent foreigners who bungled everything.”
 
What you're missing is that China had an almost racial outlook on the world, with a clear division between the civilized Chinese and the filthy barbarians. Persia did not have anything nearly like that.


The Mughals (who did not call themselves so) were Turks who spoke Persian. Not Mongols.
I don’t know, Chinese who are outright hostile to Manchus tend to be southerners, especially Cantonese people. Northern Chinese are part “barbarian” by ancestry and weren’t all that hung up on it.

The main source of Qing unpopularity has to do with their utter failure at modernizing China in the 19th century. In large part due to the Manchu rulers fearing modernization would threaten their control of the Han majority. Had the dynasty fallen before China became dominated by the West, I think the Qing would be remembered for its earlier successes with territorial expansion instead of as “incompetent foreigners who bungled everything.”

The more I read,the more it seems to indicate that after being conquered,Chinese people(the commoners mostly) don't really have a problem with barbarians ruling. When they rebel,it's more to do with unjust treatment or socio-economic causes rather than because 'we need to expel the barbarians'. Even at the end of Qing, the thing that really sparked it was the monopolization of power by the Aisin-Gioros and frustration at the lack of further reform.Though that tends to be mixed up by people sometimes because rebelling in the name of 'expelling the barbarians' tends to add legitimacy to the cause.
 
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