SourceOnce the magna pestilencia had passed, the city had to cope with a labor supply even more greatly decimated than in the countryside due to a generally higher urban death rate. The city, however, could reverse some of this damage by attracting, as it had for centuries, new workers from the countryside, a phenomenon that deepened the crisis for the manorial lord and contributed to changes in rural settlement. A resurgence of the slave trade occurred in the Mediterranean, especially in Italy, where the female slave from Asia or Africa entered domestic service in the city and the male slave toiled in the countryside. Finding more labor was not, however, a panacea. A peasant or slave performed an unskilled task adequately but could not necessarily replace a skilled laborer. The gross loss of talent due to the plague caused a decline in per capita productivity by skilled labor remediable only by time and training (Hunt and Murray, 1999; Miskimin, 1975).
Yep. I have egg on my face. Although, Southern Portugal does approach ~10 % Subsaharan heritage. There is some debate about how much of this comes originates from the Atlantic slave trade vs prior inflows, with some arguing that the majority comes from the former and other that the majority comes from the latter, so I don't know that there's a consensus position on this issue.You sure it was not Lisbon? Portugal doesn't even have 10% North African ancestry according to genetic studies, let alone Sub Saharan African.
Are you saying that African slaves specifically would have a harder time surviving in Europe(much like Europeans had a harder time surviving in the tropics)?Well Brandenburg and Pomerania saw a 60% population loss in the 30YW, they saw a small influx of foreign European settlers.
Also while I could see southern Italy and Iberia seeing a influx of African slaves, I think the rest of Europe being too poor and the climate too cold and damp for such influx to be viable. Even if such a import was began, I think the massive death count after the first winter, would result in such import being seen as unviable.
I've realized that the first thing I should have looked for is what effect the original Black Death had on the slave trade.
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Yep. I have egg on my face. Although, Southern Portugal does approach ~10 % Subsaharan heritage. There is some debate about how much of this comes originates from the Atlantic slave trade vs prior inflows, with some arguing that the majority comes from the former and other that the majority comes from the latter, so I don't know that there's a consensus position on this issue.
Are you saying that African slaves specifically would have a harder time surviving in Europe(much like Europeans had a harder time surviving in the tropics)?
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the presence only in the Canary Islands of Amerindian lineages A2 and C1 (Perego et al., 2009)
Population did drastically decline in the empire,that didn’t lead to mass importation of slaves.
It only mentions that there some lineages, but apparently they are virtually non existent given they were not reported.Apologies, I mixed two things up. Madeira has comparatively high Sub-Saharan African descent (from the North Macaronesian baseline), while it is the Canaries where Amerindian lineages are found.
https://www.academia.edu/3186396/Mi...lands_Variation_within_and_among_archipelagos
As far as I know Southern Spain hardly even approches 10-20% North African heritage, so I'm skeptic of Portugual having 10% of Subsaharan heritage.Yep. I have egg on my face. Although, Southern Portugal does approach ~10 % Subsaharan heritage. There is some debate about how much of this comes originates from the Atlantic slave trade vs prior inflows, with some arguing that the majority comes from the former and other that the majority comes from the latter, so I don't know that there's a consensus position on this issue.
It only mentions that there some lineages, but apparently they are virtually non existent given they were not reported.
As far as I know Southern Spain hardly even approches 10-20% North African heritage, so I'm skeptic of Portugual having 10% of Subsaharan heritage.
I was responding to this:There were enough to show that the historically documented movement of people from South America to Europe left MTDNA lineages in Macaronesia. Re. Portugal, nobody said that it was 10% subsaharan African genetically, but that it once had 10% African slave population. Slaves have less children and not all slaves were subsaharan, some were North African, most had European blood, some had Amerindian blood and some were from the Canaries. Though I'd like to see the source of the 10% slave claim.
"Yep. I have egg on my face. Although, Southern Portugal does approach ~10 % Subsaharan heritage."
That's not particularly true; the Portuguese in particular favored the buying of artisans and other craftsmen to work in sugar mills. Sugar itself requires a decent amount of skilled labor, far more than the common image of just cutting cane.The problem with importing slaves from Africa is they arrive basically unskilled
Unless slaves are imported from N Africa, which would not go down well with the Ottomans, how is Europe going to get them?