Worst possible outcome of WWII for each of these countries

based off the German thread, keep it realistic no "Nazis and Japanese taking over the US by 1947!" and such, feel free to only answer for countries you have ideas about, and if you have ideas for a nation not listed feel free to lay out your idea, I'm only limiting it to the big one's because I don't feel like listing all the nations in this war

China-
France-
Germany-
Italy-
Japan-
Poland-
United Kingdom-
USSR-
United States-

go wild, I'll have my own ideas latter after some thinking
 
China- Partitioned Between Soviet Zone, and the Peoples republic
France- No De Gaulle civil war post war ends up communist.
Germany- A-bombed into dust and occupied entirely by the Soviets.
Italy-Fights on until the end, the allies blast their way through each indivdual town.
Japan- Fire/atomed bombed and starved to death.
Poland- Liberated in 1947 2/3 of population dead.
United Kingdom- Indian rebellion, more effective U boat attacks/blitz
USSR- Broken nation on the verge of collapse.
United States- No economic post war boom millions of casualties.
 
China- OTL. Mao wins.
France-The Anglo/American-Nazi War.
Germany- The Anglo/American-Nazi War.
Italy- Civil war.
Japan- Downfall.
Poland- Nazis win.
United Kingdom- Nazis win.
USSR- Nazis win.
United States- President Robert Taft.
 
Japan had been knocked out of the war as the first Axis member, but if the Operation Olympic and Coronet was telling then the war to liberate Europe would be much, much harder. Germany and the Soviet Union guarded ‘Fortress Europe’ well, so well that the Allies so far had failed to attain air superiority over the continent. Also, neither Stalin nor Goering were cowed into submission like Churchill and Truman had hoped. They were rather unimpressed as western Europe had been suffering one thousand plane raids for at least four years, attacks which were equally destructive if not worse than nuclear weapons. Goering had already seen many cities destroyed and that hadn’t killed Germany’s ability to fight on. Instead, both Goering and Stalin ordered their scientists to find a means of retaliation. The joint nuclear program that resorted under Reinhard Heydrich’s Gestapo and Lavrenti Beria’s NKVD received more funding and the scientists doubled their efforts out of fear for Beria and Heydrich. Germany also possessed stockpiles of nerve gas, including the deadly nerve agent tabun and Goering ordered several V2 missiles and V1 flying bombs to be retrofitted with chemical warheads in the event of a nuclear strike against Germany. Stalin did the same with German supplied stocks of the tabun nerve agent and also ordered for the production of bombs with this chemical weapon. Both sped up research into the intercontinental ballistic missile A9/A10 which was already far in the development stage at the time.

Truman was then preparing to begin a nuclear campaign against the Germans and Soviets to enforce a surrender. Their people weren’t fanatical diehards like the Japanese had been. He guessed that the German people wouldn’t want such destruction, but he had underestimated the German people who had already seen so much destruction that they had been hardened enough to be able to deal with some more. Their opinions on the Americans had also dropped a great degree since their use of no less than ten nuclear weapons against Japanese cities had been condemned by Berlin and Moscow as a war crime. As for the Soviet Union, Stalin was such a ruthless and sociopathic dictator with such a lack of empathy that he didn’t mind the loss of a city or two. Besides, Germany and the Soviet Union were working on means of retaliation and it would take many nuclear weapons to break their continental hegemony. In April 1947, they would first test their A9/A10 ICBM which would have a successful test launch from the Peenemunde test site before impacting in the sea east of Vladivostok (albeit without a warhead since the guidance system was less than reliable). This weapon could bring the war to America if produced in larger numbers like the “Amerika Bomber” had already done except that this weapon could not be defended against. Goering ordered missiles to be fitted with tabun gas and anthrax warheads, to be used as soon as the Americans used nuclear weapons against Europe. The German-Soviet atomic bomb project was also nearing completion.

In Europe, an American B-29 bomber left its base in Scotland headed for German occupied Europe with a single atomic bomb of the ‘Fat Man’ type with an estimated yield of about 20 kilotons. The chosen target was Schweinfurt which was deemed a valid strategic target since it was a major production centre of ball bearings and a large industrial city in general; it was also a city right in the middle of Germany and was chosen for a psychological effect as the Americans would show they could strike in the heart of Germany. The bomber managed to penetrate the air-defences of Germany by taking a route by sea for as long as possible and with Allied naval superiority it would take very long for them to be spotted. Even then, the Germans didn’t necessarily have to assume it was a nuclear armed bomber since there were so many bomber sorties by the Allies and this bomber certainly didn’t look any different. They could believe the plane had gotten of course, or so the Allied leaders wishfully thought. The Allied bomber reached the target area, fortunately for the Allies. It dropped its bomb which exploded in a 20 kiloton blast, incinerating thousands of people instantly although casualties were noticeably lower than in Japanese cities which had many wooden structures whereas German cities were mostly built with brick, stone and concrete. Goering was infuriated and ordered the launch crews in the Netherlands, Belgium and northern France to launch their V2s against the city centre of London in retaliation, but these were no ordinary V2s as they were loaded with tabun nerve gas. Six V2 ballistic missiles were launched against London in retaliation and British radar operators saw them coming and tried to predict their trajectories, but there was no way for the British to stop these weapons flying at an altitude of 80 kilometres. They impacted in a semicircle from Camden Town to Vauxhall, releasing the deadly nerve agent, killing 50.000 Londoners in two hours time. New leader Clement Attlee who had succeeded Winston Churchill survived the attack although some unfortunate MPs living here or driving to work at the time perished. The Allies retaliated against Bremen with another nuclear weapon and bombings with mustard has against several other cities. The German government distributed gasmasks to their people and Goering ordered more chemical attacks, not only against London, but other southern cities such as Portsmouth, Southampton and Dover as well, killing tens of thousands more British civilians. The Americans retaliated once more, but this time their bomber was shot down west of Hamburg. The weapon inside was retrieved by the Gestapo, but was irreparably damaged, but still useful to the German and Soviet scientists. NKVD and Gestapo leaders Beria and Heydrich increased the pressure to achieve results in both the atomic bomb program and the ICBM program. The A9/A10 had already been tested and Werner von Braun and his team started mass production while an American bomber stationed in India destroyed Tashkent in May, disrupting the oil production in the region.

Truman and Attlee increased pressure on the Axis by destroying Hannover, and Bremerhaven in nuclear fire while carrying out several more chemical attacks. Another nuclear bomber attacked Leipzig while another was shot down over Magdeburg where a large German uranium stockpile was located. In early June 1947, the project leaders of the Axis atomic bomb project announced that they had a warhead ready for testing. Unlike the Americans they had only researched the ‘Fat Man’ type warhead which was arguably the more powerful design. On June 18th 1947, they tested their atomic bomb at a site in Central Asia known as the Semipalatinsk test site. With an estimated blast yield of 25 kilotons, the test was a complete success for the Axis. After a nuclear attack against Düsseldorf, Stalin and Goering authorized retaliation against a British city and the use of the A9/A10 missile against an American city on the east coast. German atomic bombs destroyed Colchester, Manchester, Hull and Liverpool over the period August-September 1947 while the Allies destroyed Wilhelmshaven and Vladivostok. In August of that year, Goering gave the go order to launch an A9/A10 missile against New York and another against Washington DC, both loaded with the tabun nerve agent. The missiles were launched and reached semi orbit before descending into the atmosphere again. The A9 second stage released from the A10 and flew the last few hundred kilometres by itself. American radar operators watched in horror, unable to act. After a thirty-five minute flight time they impacted, the first one in Arlington and the other on Staten Island.

The Allies decided to expand the nuclear campaign to the minor Axis members as well. They targeted the city of Calais, the most heavily fortified point of the Atlantic Wall, destroying the port immediately. Several more missile attacks against both Britain and America took place, but on both sides, the public was growing war weary. The war had been going on for eight years without respite. In the Axis countries, the days of the amazing victories of Rommel ‘The Desert Fox’ and general Zhukov seemed a distant memory while in the Allied countries, the promised victory seemed further away than ever. Officious contacts were made via embassies of neutral countries such as Sweden, Switzerland and Portugal. In Britain, which was bankrupt and exposed to German nuclear and chemical retaliation, prices were soaring and American credit was the only thing keeping Britain from bailing out and seeking a separate negotiated peace while in America, Republican presidential candidate Thomas E. Dewey was appealing to popular sentiment with his most popular catchphrases being ‘a fair peace’, ‘bring our boys home’ and ‘this isn’t our war’. He blamed Truman for provoking German missile attacks by using atomic bombs against German civilians. The Americans were suffering civilian death tolls like they had never experienced before, unlike the Europeans. To the general populace it was quite a shock. One hundred thousand people had died due to nerve gas attacks so far and morale was dropping. In Britain, the situation grew critical with anti-war protests erupting in Leicester and Birmingham. These soon escalated into looting and food riots as Britain was suffering steep price increases as the economy went into a deep downward spiral. Attlee officially contacted Berlin, Moscow and Rome on January 7th 1948, requesting an armistice. The Americans didn’t feel much for continuing the war alone and did the same on January 9th with Truman cursing Attlee. For the first time in almost nine years the guns fell silent and peace reigned over the battlefields of Europe, Asia and Africa...
All in one scenario...
 

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China - Widespead and general use of chemical and biological warfare by the occupying Japanese forces causes heavy casualties and ecological contamination across the populated areas of China, while the slow progress of the United States across the Pacific allows Japan to continue occupying China until late 1946. The Soviet invasion of Manchuria in 1946 allows the Chinese communists to acquire a safe zone, from where they launch general attacks against the depleted Koumingtang forces, leading to a resumption of the civil war that lasts until 1951, with the capture of mainland China by communist forces and the ensuing mismanagement of the Chinese economy and purges against perceived "collaborators" under the Mao government lasting until 1976.

France - France is devestated by the brutal German occupation and the costly Anglo-American liberation of 1944-1945. Countless cultural treasures are destroyed by German troops rather than allowed to be liberated, and Paris is destroyed in the Paris Uprising of February 1945, which saw over 15,000 French civilians killed by German artillery. The extremely slow advance by Anglo-American troops allowed the Soviet Union to advance to the Rhine, occupying all of Germany and Austria and supplying arms to French communists, who begin their own campaign to "liberate" France from the "fascist collaborators, appeasers, and imperialists" and the Anglo-Americans alike, while France's colonies break away in the ensuing chaos. 1.5 million French die during the war.

Germany - Germany is defeated in 1946 by a combination of strategic bombardment, including the use of atomic weapons by the United States, and the occupation and destruction of the country by Soviet forces. Germany is denuded of industry and wealth, turned into a military springboard for the defense of Russia from Anglo-American-French forces and a prison for the occupants, who are effectively forced to work for their occupiers in agriculture and as laborers, building the massive military projects demanded by Stalin.

Italy - Following the defeat of Germany in early 1946 by the Soviet Union, Italy, which had already been wracked by division and conflict, undergoes a period of civil war between dedicated fascists, communists, and republican/royalist forces. This civil war lasts until 1949, when the country is effectively divided into a small communist state in Northern Italy, ruled from Milan, and a larger, but industrially less capable, Kingdom of Italy ruled from Rome.

Japan - Japan is forced to surrender on July 19, 1946, following the American blockade and bombing campaign, popularly (but incorrectly) known as Operation Starvation. 6.4 million Japanese die during the war. Japan is split into four occupation zones, administered by the United States, United Kingdom, Soviet Union, and Republic of China.

Poland - The German defeat of the Soviet Union in late 1942 dooms the lands once known as Poland to a long-term German occupation. Half of pre-war Poland is dead by 1949, and the rest enslaved and starving. By the defeat of Germany in 1958 by Anglo-American forces, pre-war Poland has lost two-thirds of its population, and one-third of that remnant consists of German settlers. 24 million Poles die in the Great Extermination.

USSR - The refusal by the United States and United Kingdom to provide supplies and equipment forces the USSR to fight the Germans with only domestic equipment and manpower. 29 million Soviet citizens die during the war, with the Red Army gutted in the end. Russia is liberated to its pre-war borders, but receives no reparations or aid.
 
based off the German thread, keep it realistic no "Nazis and Japanese taking over the US by 1947!" and such, feel free to only answer for countries you have ideas about, and if you have ideas for a nation not listed feel free to lay out your idea, I'm only limiting it to the big one's because I don't feel like listing all the nations in this war

PoD for several of these: FDR has a health crisis in 1940, just before the DNC, and must withdraw. In the confusion, Sen. Burton Wheeler (D-MT), a fanatic isolationist, is nominated and defeats novice candidate Willkie.

Deprived of all U.S. support, Britain tries to carry on the war alone, but by late 1941 is falling apart, especially after Japan seizes SE Asia and sweeps the S. Pacific. (Wheeler personally vetoes U.S. intervention.) Britain is forced to make peace in 1942.

China- alone - fights on for another two years, till Japan begins using bacterial and chemical weapons against holdout areas. Roughly 50M Chinese die; the survivors become Japanese slave laborers.

USSR- As OTL, until the end of 1942. German reserves that were OTL in N Africa or the west meet the Soviet counterattack at Stalingrad, which fails with enormous casualties. The Soviet people reach exhaustion. There is no Lend-Lease to prop them up. Shortages of everything, including food. In the summer of 1943, the Germans shred the Soviet lines and take Moscow; Soviet morale collapses. Stalin resorts to further mass purges, provokes mass desertions and rebellions. The Germans reach the Urals.

As in OTL Poland, Germany loots, murders all potential leaders, enslaves...

Japan- PoD: Operation Flash succeeds, killing Hitler in March 1943. The Black Orchestra moves against Goering in mid-1943, and begins trying to negotiate a surrender. By 1944, the Allies finally start to talk. The Euro War ends in April. At which point the Manhattan District shuts down. Many of the lead scientists bitterly disliked the idea of the Bomb, and only worked on it because Nazi Germany might get it first. That's gone... and the "conventional" armed forces want all that budget.

So there is no atomic bombing of Japan. While the Soviet Army overruns Manchuria, Korea, and north China, U.S. and British forces wage incredibly bloody struggles for the Home Islands. The mass murder of all Allied PoWs and civilian internees (which almost happened OTL) encourages Allied forces to "kill 'em all". Meanwhile, food production and public health collapse throughout Japan, killing tens of millions of people. The fighting finally ends in 1947, with 1/3 of Japan as a Soviet zone.

Poland-
as with the USSR.

United Kingdom- As above for China, except that Britain does not make peace. Spain joins the Axis. Also, in the Mers-el-Kebir incident, the beloved only son of a senior French intelligence officer is killed. The grieving father tells the Germans all about Enigma decryption (France was equal partners with Britain in this in 1940; in fact the refugee Polish cryptanalysts worked in France. They even continued to work in Vichy France until 1942.) This hurts really bad in the Battle of the Atlantic, and in the Med. Britain staggers along.

As the eastern front winds down, Hitler directs shipyards all over Europe to build 500 - 1,000 ton escort craft and transports suitable for amphibious ops; also aircraft.

Britain is really stretched. Japan has taken Australia and NZ out of the war. India, cut off, has deposed the Empire and gone neutral, the Middle East has fallen, South Africa has gone neutral under Afrikaner rule. The "Empire" consists of Canada and the West Indies.

In 1944, Germany invades and conquers Britain. There is fierce resistance, to which the Germans respond with indiscriminate firepower and brutality.

France-
Germany-
Italy-

As above re FDR; also, however, the Allies defeat the invasion of Norway.

This scrambles the rest of 1940, delaying the German invasion of France, which bogs down against better preparation, though still largely successful. Then in 1941, Hitler gets Italy and Spain to join the war, crushing France and sweeping the Med as well, while Japan sweeps in the East as above. Britain makes peace. Vichy France becomes an Axis ally.

Stalin now expects German attack in 1942; he's right. However, the Soviets are much better equipped than OTL 1941, and they are alerted and ready - so no sucker punch.

The Axis still wins the opening battles, but far less decisively. Axis forces stop at Narva, Smolensk, and Kiev - then Soviet counterattacks begin - and never stop. The war ends with Soviet forces in Sicily, Brittany, and Andalusia. Stalin does his worst across all Europe, with no allies to restrain him.

United States-

go wild, I'll have my own ideas latter after some thinking
 
I feel a use of chemical weapons on a WWI level or greater in most theaters will make the war far worse for all involved. Gas used by strategic bombers on major cities as predicted pre-war could be especially nasty.
 
"United Kingdom- As above for China, except that Britain does not make peace. Spain joins the Axis. Also, in the Mers-el-Kebir incident, the beloved only son of a senior French intelligence officer is killed. The grieving father tells the Germans all about Enigma decryption (France was equal partners with Britain in this in 1940; in fact the refugee Polish cryptanalysts worked in France. They even continued to work in Vichy France until 1942.) This hurts really bad in the Battle of the Atlantic, and in the Med. Britain staggers along.

As the eastern front winds down, Hitler directs shipyards all over Europe to build 500 - 1,000 ton escort craft and transports suitable for amphibious ops; also aircraft.

Britain is really stretched. Japan has taken Australia and NZ out of the war. India, cut off, has deposed the Empire and gone neutral, the Middle East has fallen, South Africa has gone neutral under Afrikaner rule. The "Empire" consists of Canada and the West Indies.

In 1944, Germany invades and conquers Britain. There is fierce resistance, to which the Germans respond with indiscriminate firepower and brutality."

How many ASBs must be expended for this to happen?
 

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China- OTL. Mao wins.
France-The Anglo/American-Nazi War.
Germany- The Anglo/American-Nazi War.
Italy- Civil war.
Japan- Downfall.
Poland- Nazis win.
United Kingdom- Nazis win.
USSR- Nazis win.
United States- President Robert Taft.

Actually I think Japan & the USSR may be A/A-NW too.:D
 
based off the German thread, keep it realistic no "Nazis and Japanese taking over the US by 1947!" and such, feel free to only answer for countries you have ideas about, and if you have ideas for a nation not listed feel free to lay out your idea, I'm only limiting it to the big one's because I don't feel like listing all the nations in this war

China- Longer Japanese occupation, Nationalists adopt a pro-farmer policy and fight the Communists in the countryside, both sides completely devastated and hopelessly dependent on the USSR or the West for support.

France- Allies can't break the Atlantic Wall, forcing them to subject France to nuclear bombs. Extra years of Nazi occupation likely means incredibly brutal and ruthless occupation/resource extraction policies leave France devastated and economically weak for years.

Germany- Longer war forces use of nuclear weapons, Allies balkanize Germany into a series of states and enact the Morgenthau Plan.

Italy- Bloody struggle between communist partisans and remnants of Mussolini's regime causes a muted Italian Civil War.

Japan- Direct US invasion of Japan.

Poland- Nazis are given time to fully enact their plans for the Germanization of Poland. By which I mean most of the Poles are killed, expelled, or slowly worked to death, with a select few remaining alive as little more than barely literate Nazi slaves.

United Kingdom- Germans use chemical weapons and nerve gas on British cities. The Grand Mufti and others help foment a successful rebellion against the British Empire.

USSR- The Nazis get a Brest-Litovsk repeat and enact Generalplan Ost in occupied territories.

United States- Forced into an incredibly bloody and gruesome land invasion of Japan.

go wild, I'll have my own ideas latter after some thinking

China- Partitioned Between Soviet Zone, and the Peoples republic
France- No De Gaulle civil war post war ends up communist.
Germany- A-bombed into dust and occupied entirely by the Soviets.
Italy-Fights on until the end, the allies blast their way through each indivdual town.
Japan- Fire/atomed bombed and starved to death.
Poland- Liberated in 1947 2/3 of population dead.
United Kingdom- Indian rebellion, more effective U boat attacks/blitz
USSR- Broken nation on the verge of collapse.
United States- No economic post war boom millions of casualties.

China wasn't ever going to be partitioned.

At most the Soviets would break off some historically important bit like Manchuria or Sinkiang and prop up a pro-Soviet client-state there, partitioning the whole of China would have been an impossible headache.

And Hell, Poland can get way worse than that.
 
China China wouldn't have been better off under the Guomindang, that's why they lost in the first place, because they were so awful. So the worst outcome for China would be the Guomindang making a separate peace with Japan, as Jiang Jieshi always threatened America he would do if America didn't comply with all his aid demands, and then Japan and the Guomindang fight the communists in China using all means possible. The fascist GMD ethnically cleanse China, killing all the 50 million or so minorities and kill huge numbers of people suspected of not being fascist and also kill people who get in the way of the GMD's own corruption. The famine caused by the GMD in the 1930s gets worse and continues, all the GMD's policies cause China's population to halve. So China would be partitioned between the GMD and Japan and, because Jiang Jieshi was so useless, the Japanese persuade him to join the war against America. The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere doesn't surrender to the Allies and China and Japan get nuked.
 
And the British didn't retaliate with their own stockpiles of Chemical and Biological Agents why?

Not to mention Operation Vegetarian.
I thought to disseminate five million linseed cakes infected with anthrax spores onto the fields of Germany, you must do it by using your air force?
And there is a German-Soviet total air superiority over European skies in above scenario, so...
 
France-
Germany-
Italy-
Poland-
United Kingdom-
USSR-

The allies decide to go ahead with Operation Pike. This leads to a UK/France vs Italy + Germany + USSR fight. The war end in 1955 after both sides have been crippled by WMD attacks including several nukes.

Japan - starved to death by an american blockade
China - the civil war turns into a US vs USSR proxy war with many aides/volunteers fighting on both sided.
USA - Much more casualties and a bigger red scare during the 1950s.
 
USSR-Germany gets its dream and tries to exterminate almost all of it, does a fairly good job of said extermination, Russian civilization no longer exists, Leningrad is razed brick by brick and Moscow replaced by a reservoir.
 
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