worst outcome for Italy

well I did Germany and I did Japan, now I'll ask for the last Axis power, what is the worst outcome for Italy in WWII? clearly of the 3 Italy got off the best, no allied troops there all the way into the present wasn't split in two, it kept some of its colonies (in the short term any ways) got to write its own constitution and keep a military. so how do we make it so very much worse?
 
I think if the Allies invasion of Italy had failed, they would have faired as bad as the others, the Allies losing any motivation for negotiating.
 
Any way to get Russians in North Italy?

Probably not, but the Yugoslavs could very well end up with Trieste. Other than that, no other European power (except Germany/Austria) had much in the way of historic claims to Italy proper. So unless the Allies decide to partition Italy into separate states (like the Morgenthau plan envisioned for Germany), Italy can't conceivably do much worse territorially than they did IOTL. They did lose their entire colonial empire, plus the Dodecanese islands, which they had administered for almost 40 years.
 

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i don't think the allies or russians would want that because italy is still more western and "a cradle of civiliazation"
 
outside of wmds

the worst scenario is kesselring decisvely smashing the salerno bridgehead (which he nealy did in otl) and they block monty much lower near the toe, then rommel launches allaric with the 10th army's resources. italian soldiers put up a fight instead of letting themselves get carted off as pows (where they surived) and instead rommel crushes them with 11 divisions and obliterates a lot of italians and their cities, and germany gets to maintain a brutal occupation of the entire country for the rest of the war
 
If we are talking to us what might happen after the end of hostilities in Europe, I believe that the worst scenario possible, without going into the ASB territory, could be the divestiture of the Val d'Aosta to France, the province of Bolzano to Austria , Trieste and Gorizia to Yugoslavia and the independence of Sicily; this course to be added to other territorial losses in OTL.
 
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