Worldwide Soviet Union.

Johnnybravo

Banned
Imagine if instead of just waiting to begin the revolution, the soviets go ahead and invade all countries in the world to "protect them from dirty capitalist ideas" in the early 1920s, around the time president Coolige was in office. What would society be like? Would newly formed SSRs do you see being created?
 
The Soviet Union gets destroyed. They couldn't even conquer Poland, so fighting against everyone else in the world is completely beyond their capabilities.
 
You would need Superman to have landed in Ukraine instead of Kansas to have a "Global Soviet Union".

Seriously though, going after various countries shortly after its creation would essentially destroy the nascent country.
 

Don Quijote

Banned
Imagine if instead of just waiting to begin the revolution, the soviets go ahead and invade all countries in the world to "protect them from dirty capitalist ideas" in the early 1920s, around the time president Coolige was in office. What would society be like? Would newly formed SSRs do you see being created?

You really can't start a scenario with 'the USSR invades the whole world'. For a start, do you really think that they would even try this? And if they did, how far do you actually think they would get?

If what you mean is 'the Soviets try to push their borders further west' as they did in and around 1940 IOTL (Finland, Bessarabia, etc), then I think they would struggle to get far. They were defeated by the Poles in 1920, Finland could call on the genius of Mannerheim, as they did in 1918-20 and 1939-40, and Romania was one of the Allies in WW1, so it will probably receive western help. The USSR can't make any major gains against industrially developed nations until its own industrial programs have gone ahead under Stalin.
 

Polemarchos

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You would need Superman to have landed in Ukraine instead of Kansas to have a "Global Soviet Union".

Seriously though, going after various countries shortly after its creation would essentially destroy the nascent country.

Not even that: Red Son Superman pusssied out and allowed Lex Luthor to rule the world.
 
Utter annihilation 99.9% of the time

..Though
If say the workers of France And UK revolted enmass at the time time, coupled with some army mutinies...who knows?
 
According to Floyd Gibbons in "The Red Napoleon", 1936 was the year the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics under Marshal Karakhan of Kazan attempted to create the World Union of Soviets and came very close to success.
Eternal Glory to the brave defenders of Manhattan: "They Shall Not Pass" and the sailors, airman and marines who defeated the combined Red Fleets at the Battle of the Windward Passage.
 

Don Quijote

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According to Floyd Gibbons in "The Red Napoleon", 1936 was the year the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics under Marshal Karakhan of Kazan attempted to create the World Union of Soviets and came very close to success.
Eternal Glory to the brave defenders of Manhattan: "They Shall Not Pass" and the sailors, airman and marines who defeated the combined Red Fleets at the Battle of the Windward Passage.

Why is it always the Americans who save the day?:cool:

I don't think the Soviets have a hope of conquering the world, whatever they do to prepare. If they only want a bit of expansion in Europe and Asia, they probably have a chance of making real gains in the Far East under the cover of containing Japan's territorial ambitions. However the West may need to be more aware of how developed and how much of a threat Japan was to give the USSR any kind of support, which it will probably need if it wants to fight Japan in what is effectively its own back garden in the early 30s. In OTL the Soviets didn't do much with Japan until 1939 and the Battle of Khalkin Gol. The USSR came of best, but didn't turn east again until 1945.
 

shiftygiant

Gone Fishin'
Utter annihilation 99.9% of the time

..Though
If say the workers of France And UK revolted enmass at the time time, coupled with some army mutinies...who knows?

They wouldn't join Russia. The general building blocks of Communism is the West and Communism in the East had subtly but vastly significant ideological differences; expecting them to unite would be like expecting the PRC and USSR to have united.

Unless the 'Soviet Union' was the name of an intergovernmental organization that connected Communist States without directly infringing their Sovereignty, then I doubt that the USSR could spread beyond it's height.
 
According to Floyd Gibbons, the Americans were the only ones who had the courage, population and industrial capacity to stand up to the Red Napoleon. Unlike the surrender monkeys in France, the disorganized and demoralized Germans of the Weimar Republic, the class divided British and the devious Japs who provided Karakhan with much of his fleet after they overturned and exiled their Emperor.
It is an interesting read but beware of Gibbons' explicit racism. Karakhan can be respected as a great, if cruel, general but he must be defeated because he is half Asian. The "Yellow Peril" as Communist warlord. Two early 20th Century nightmares in one.
 

Don Quijote

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According to Floyd Gibbons, the Americans were the only ones who had the courage, population and industrial capacity to stand up to the Red Napoleon. Unlike the surrender monkeys in France, the disorganized and demoralized Germans of the Weimar Republic, the class divided British and the devious Japs who provided Karakhan with much of his fleet after they overturned and exiled their Emperor.
It is an interesting read but beware of Gibbons' explicit racism. Karakhan can be respected as a great, if cruel, general but he must be defeated because he is half Asian. The "Yellow Peril" as Communist warlord. Two early 20th Century nightmares in one.

Personally I'd be wary of anyone who thinks that the Soviets will conquer all of Europe and make it as far as New York.
 
According to Floyd Gibbons in "The Red Napoleon", 1936 was the year the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics under Marshal Karakhan of Kazan attempted to create the World Union of Soviets and came very close to success.
Eternal Glory to the brave defenders of Manhattan: "They Shall Not Pass" and the sailors, airman and marines who defeated the combined Red Fleets at the Battle of the Windward Passage.

If such madness were to actually happen IOTL, a 1933 invasion of Poland would be like Hitler's geo-political wet dream come true.
 
Keep in mind that Gibbons was writing a future history in the late 20s. There was no Hitler. The only reference to the National Socialists was a brief reference to their militia, the "Steel Helmets" being wiped out in East Prussia by the Red Army.
I am not saying that "Red Napoleon" is entirely plausible. It is a good read and Gibbons had some interesting predictions about armored warfare, the backward thinking of the general staffs of France and Britain, house to house fighting (but in Manhattan not Stalingrad), blitzkrieg like tactics, and the importance of naval aviation. He also predicted the wide spread use of poison gas in the next war and the continuing importance of battleships so he was not clairvoyant.
He also had to have communist revolutions in Britain and Japan so he could give Karakhan enough naval vessels and merchant shipping to invade North America.
 
The only way to make this feasible would be to hyper-wank the interwar revolutionary upheavals that followed the end of the First World War. So for example, if the Reds win the Finnish Civil War, the Hungarian Revolution, take power in Austria, and the Spartacist Uprising receives much more support leading to a civil war in Germany. In addition the Bolsheviks are more successful militarily in the Russian Civil War and are able to drive the last of the Whites out a few years earlier. In Poland, the threat of Communist regimes in Russia and Hungary, as well as the potential threat of a Red Germany to the east means that their army is divided, and they ultimately fall to a joint invasion. The Baltic states agree to align themselves to the socialist cause due to a mixture of diplomatic, economic, and military pressure. In Germany the French and British support the whites, whilst the Soviets and their allies support the Spartacists, effectively restarting the Great War. The fighting eventually leads to a stalemate in Germany and the Balkans, whilst Romania falls to a joint invasion by Soviet Russia, Ukraine, and Hungary after they tried to invade Transylvania.

The disparate revolutionary regimes agree to form a supranational union which eventually morphs into a unified state. This alt-USSR basically incorporates all the territory of Tsarist Russia, Austria-Hungary, and Romania, as well as a chunk of Germany (Eastern and Central Prussia, and Bavaria, and the surrounding areas).

The British and French governments, fearing socialist uprisings in their own territory, heavily suppress the trade unions and left-wing parties, driving them underground and radicalising them (which also has the effect of driving most of the remaining 2nd International parties in Europe into the revolutionary camp), and basically become right-wing military dictatorships. They then begin to establish an anti-Communist alliance across Europe and Asia, seeking to contain the revolution.

In Asia the Chinese Republic remains fairly left-wing and builds close ties with the alt-USSR, whilst Japan and its colonies are drawn into the anti-Communist alliance. The USA, not wanting to be drawn into foreign wars, and fearful of the

By the time the mid-20s roll around, the alt-USSR, under a left-Communist government seeking world revolution, spurred on by unrest in Europe and the colonies, as well as Japanese incursions into China, launches an all out attack against the anti-Communist Entente, with the hopes that one solid kick would bring it down. Unfortunately for them the anti-Communists aren't as hopeless as they fought and the Second World War begins.

The collapse in global trade brought about by the war, as well as the upsurge in revolutionary optimism results in a radical left-wing government coming to power in the USA, which leads to them offering economic and diplomatic support to the USSR, helping to turn the war in their favour, with them eventually joining to offer their naval support to invading Japan, Indonesia, Australia and New Zealand, and eventually Britain.

World Socialism is achieved by the mid-30s-40s. Thus endeth the Sovietwank.
 
The Soviet Union gets destroyed. They couldn't even conquer Poland, so fighting against everyone else in the world is completely beyond their capabilities.

This.

The idea of the Soviet Union achieving world domination in the 1920s is an ASB scenario if I ever heard one.
 
The Soviet Union is certainly fucked if they try World Revolution in the '20s. I could see a Trotskyist USSR trying to do so a decade or two later, but even then Russia's chances of just taking over just all of Europe are kind of like the Nazis doing the same: very, very low probability of success. I could see a Trotskyist USSR doing more damage than the Nazis, however.

Also, vongrief made a scenario called Snowball detailing a Trotskyist USSR attempt to take over the world in 1938. It's rather implausible given the success the Sovs have in it (and they still don't get the whole world), but it's still a fun little read.
 
This.

The idea of the Soviet Union achieving world domination in the 1920s is an ASB scenario if I ever heard one.

Unless you believe all those apocryphal Lenin quotes, structured around whatever issue right-wingers are trying to whip up hysteria about at any given time. Like, this one, which I've seen quoted in debates about pornography and sex education...

"Once America has been over-run with prostitution and social licentiousness, she will fall like an over-ripe fruit into our hands."

So, evidently, Soviet domination of the world was such a likely prospect during Lenin's lifetime that he found it feasible to plot its realization via sexual liberalism in the USA.
 
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