WorldRaj tribute thread

[XFE]

I've had a read through the thread--great work everyone!

I'm hashing out some ideas on China for the time being. I understand a lot of this is necessarily powered by handwavium, but I think some vague lore points helps a lot with mapping and squeezing out ideas. I think an Anglo-Castillian union would be quite pivotal to East Asia--London then controls the late modern supply of silver (Japan coming in a distant second place), which gives it quite considerable commercial leverage over China. It's likely the China trade and the emerging Asian market that fuels the Imperial engine. As far as this applies to border changes, I envision an approach similar to the Raj: co-opting commercial elites, adapting to local administrative and political structures. Perhaps more sensibly run, perhaps less.

Considering the history of Chinese in Southeast Asia, perhaps the relationship would eventually evolve into one of manpower export, similar to pseudo-slavery in Canada and the United States in the late 19th century? It's little details like these that I think can be hinted at, though not explicitly stated in these maps.

 

[Analytical Engine]

As to China - what would the dynasty be called?

 

[TheBeanieBaron]

For how Sicily becomes part of the United Kingdoms, my new idea is as follows:

• With support from the Pope, Edmund Crouchback (son of Henry III of England) overthrows Manfred to become King of Sicily in 1266.
• Two of Edmund’s grandsons become kings, with one inheriting Sicily while the other is elected as King of Hungary.
• The Plantagenet King of Hungary is elected as King of Poland, bringing the two countries into a personal Union.
• The King of Sicily inherits Hungary-Poland. The two countries are later unified into the United Kingdom of Sicily, Hungary, and Poland, with it being known simply as the Eastern Triple Crown.
• The last Plantagenet Queen of the ETC (Eastern Triple Crown) chooses Alfonso, King of Aragon as her adopted heir. This brings the two kingdoms into a personal Union upon the Queen’s death.
• The War of the Second Aragonese Succession occurs in the early 18th century, ending with the King of the United Kingdoms becoming the new King of the ETC.

 

[Analytical Engine]

For how Sicily becomes part of the United Kingdoms, my new idea is as follows:

• With support from the Pope, Edmund Crouchback (son of Henry III of England) overthrows Manfred to become King of Sicily in 1266.
• Two of Edmund’s grandsons become kings, with one inheriting Sicily while the other is elected as King of Hungary.
• The Plantagenet King of Hungary is elected as King of Poland, bringing the two countries into a personal Union.
• The King of Sicily inherits Hungary-Poland. The two countries are later unified into the United Kingdom of Sicily, Hungary, and Poland, with it being known simply as the Eastern Triple Crown.
• The last Plantagenet Queen of the ETC (Eastern Triple Crown) chooses Alfonso, King of Aragon as her adopted heir. This brings the two kingdoms into a personal Union upon the Queen’s death.
• The War of the Second Aragonese Succession occurs in the early 18th century, ending with the King of the United Kingdoms becoming the new King of the ETC.

Yeah, that fits my headcanon of "WI England had the same personal-union luck as the Habsburg, but turned up to eleven".

 

[Atzyn]

OK, I admit defeat, I'm assuming the blue is river but even so I can't match it up.
Can you place it on this for me please
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Thanks

I was using a different basemap to make it, that appears to have different lakes:

So I've re-drawn it to fit the coastlines and line up with rivers:

 

[Atzyn]

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I tried my hand at Raj-ifying Jamaica based on the Maroon settlements that existed. The borders I made probably aren't great, here's the map I based them off of:
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Added the 3 historic counties of Jamaica, from west to east: Cornwall County, Middlesex County and Surrey County, with the latter having a different colour because that's where Kingston is.

 

[Aurantiacis]

I’ll claim Polynesia as well, though it’ll take me longer to finish. The plan is to have a lot of co-administration with other European crowns, mixed in with indigenous monarchies.

Ceylon:
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Labeled:
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This looks good; if I may, I can try adding a brief patch for the Vanni chiefdoms below Jaffna proper.

Considering the history of Chinese in Southeast Asia, perhaps the relationship would eventually evolve into one of manpower export, similar to pseudo-slavery in Canada and the United States in the late 19th century? It's little details like these that I think can be hinted at, though not explicitly stated in these maps.

I’m always happy to edit some of my Southeast Asian patches to accommodate any ideas.

 

[Bob Hope]

Great teamwork everyone!!

 

[Bob Hope]

The island are the comorros, which Atzyn has already done
Unless you're mistaking it with Nosy be? Also I made a mistake with one coastal pixel below nosy be
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It was the coastal pix.

 

[Atzyn]

This looks good; if I may, I can try adding a brief patch for the Vanni chiefdoms below Jaffna proper.

Feel free to do so, as I couldn't find a lot of historical patches for Sri Lanka beyond the Jaffna/Kotte/Kandy/Sitawaka/Raigama era and the provinces of British Ceylon.

 

[Bob Hope]

@Analytical Engine , @LeinadB93 ,
Hi Guys,
Got some more patches that may be of use;

Lastly, I pasted your map onto enterrainos

 

[Aurantiacis]

I’ll claim Polynesia as well, though it’ll take me longer to finish. The plan is to have a lot of co-administration with other European crowns, mixed in with indigenous monarchies.

I call dibs on Oceania, so basically everything east of Sulawesi and Timor.

Sorry @Blacklister, I claimed essentially most of Oceania a few hours prior. Papua New Guinea and New Zealand are open however.

 

[Blacklister]

Sorry @Blacklister, I claimed essentially most of Oceania a few hours prior. Papua New Guinea and New Zealand are open however.

What other parts of the world are unclaimed, then, besides PNG, NZ, Micronesia, and Melanesia?

 

[TheBeanieBaron]

Sorry @Blacklister, I claimed essentially most of Oceania a few hours prior. Papua New Guinea and New Zealand are open however.

What other parts of the world are unclaimed, then, besides PNG, NZ, Micronesia, and Melanesia?

You two can team up for Oceania if you want.

 

[Aurantiacis]

What other parts of the world are unclaimed, then, besides PNG, NZ, Micronesia, and Melanesia?

There's large parts of Africa open; China (parts unclaimed by XFE) could use some retouching, and I'm sure the Americas can be more Raj-ified.

You two can team up for Oceania if you want.

I have a lot of good resources for some of the pre-colonial polities in Polynesia, so I think I can just try to take a jab at it first.

 

[Analytical Engine]

What other parts of the world are unclaimed, then, besides PNG, NZ, Micronesia, and Melanesia?

The remainder of South America. I have no interest in mapping that area.

 

[Blacklister]

There's large parts of Africa open; China (parts unclaimed by XFE) could use some retouching, and I'm sure the Americas can be more Raj-ified.


I have a lot of good resources for some of the pre-colonial polities in Polynesia, so I think I can just try to take a jab at it first.

Mind sharing some of them with me?

 

[Bob Hope]

What other parts of the world are unclaimed, then, besides PNG, NZ, Micronesia, and Melanesia?

Africa is wide open, South America can be improved, Russia in Asia is also available

 

[Blacklister]

Africa is wide open, South America can be improved, Russia in Asia is also available

Thanks. I was also considering further Rajifying Armenia as well, given that the original version of WorldRaj had only three Armenian states: Armenian Apostolic Church territories, Armenia Proper, and Nagorno-Karabakh/Artsakh.

 

[Atzyn]

Thanks. I was also considering further Rajifying Armenia as well, given that the original version of WorldRaj had only three Armenian states: Armenian Apostolic Church territories, Armenia Proper, and Nagorno-Karabakh/Artsakh.
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I always found the Caucasus in the Worldraj to be a little lacklustre; Dagestan can be made far worse, Armenia can be broken up a bit and Georgia's missing a bunch of historical regions that could be turned into separate entities.