World without the Black Plague?

Just wondering what our world would look like without the Black Plague.

Well, there is an Alt History Hub video on that, but the Plague did do some good in the long run.

Europe was beginning to be overpopulated by the time of the Plague. Without it, Europe would go through a slow decline of a lack of resources. Granted, I imagine many of the kingdoms would try and do something about it. One idea is they may sell many of the serfs as slaves to the people down in Africa in exchange for food and such which could lead to new ideas and such reaching further down into Africa.

IF the New World is discovered, if briefly, it could serve as a dumping ground, though this would mainly work for the northern areas. Eventually Europe would stabilize over the centuries and the people left in the New World would bring their knowledge to the natives and mix with them. Population may be hit hard at first, but the newcomers coming in and I imagine e new technology could even that out.

By the time Europe may properly explore the New World after a century or two, stronger kingdoms and empires could be made, now with more diseases eresistance and knowledge of the world, especially wit possible writing systems, simple machines and so on.
 
So discovery of the New World by Europeans could have been butterflied out of existence. The idea of a reverse slave trade seems interesting to me.
 
One thing the Black Plague did was end feudalism, or at least help it along to the graveyard. The loss of population created a huge labor shortage. As a result, a serf could go to work for a lord who was a "batter boss" or take off to make his fortune in a town without much concern about being turned over to his original lord. A property without workers supported nobody, likewise if a guild lost a lot of members, the difficulty in getting an apprenticeship if you were not a family member was markedly decreased. If this doesn't happen feudalism continues longer.
 
Overpopulation wasn't really a problem, there was plenty of "empty" land in Eastern Europe, but we would likely have seen Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia and Transsylvania ending up German speaking. Finland and Estonia would likely have more Swedes. We would likely also have seen a greater urbanization of especially Italy. Europe wouldn't sell their serf as slaves to the Arabs or Africans, the entire idea fail to understand the structure of serfdom.
 
IF the New World is discovered, if briefly, it could serve as a dumping ground, though this would mainly work for the northern areas. Eventually Europe would stabilize over the centuries and the people left in the New World would bring their knowledge to the natives and mix with them. Population may be hit hard at first, but the newcomers coming in and I imagine e new technology could even that out.

By the time Europe may properly explore the New World after a century or two, stronger kingdoms and empires could be made, now with more diseases eresistance and knowledge of the world, especially wit possible writing systems, simple machines and so on.

How is Europe going to dump a bunch of serfs/peasants/whatever in the New World and yet also not have contact with it enough to properly govern the place? Not to mention the American Indians will get decimated by disease (and drought if this is the early 16th century), although thankfully for them Europeans won't have as big of a technological advantage and most crucially, a supply advantage, due to the difference in armour/weapons/sailing technology.

Even if it does fall out of contact with Europe, if briefly, it'll more lead to some European New World kingdom, probably led by some adventurous nobleman.
 
How is Europe going to dump a bunch of serfs/peasants/whatever in the New World and yet also not have contact with it enough to properly govern the place? Not to mention the American Indians will get decimated by disease (and drought if this is the early 16th century), although thankfully for them Europeans won't have as big of a technological advantage and most crucially, a supply advantage, due to the difference in armour/weapons/sailing technology.

Even if it does fall out of contact with Europe, if briefly, it'll more lead to some European New World kingdom, probably led by some adventurous nobleman.

Have a bunch of big ships dump the poor peasants near the shores of Newfoundland or such while they go back home to deal with whatever issues they have back at home.
 
One idea is they may sell many of the serfs as slaves to the people down in Africa in exchange for food and such which could lead to new ideas and such reaching further down into Africa.
I trust you're aware of why Europeans didn't start trying to live in most of Africa until the 19th century?
(I'm also not sure how big market there was for short-lived slaves there at the time, or if they had any
meaningful food surplus to trade.)

Unless you mean North Africa, in which case the question is "Didn't they get decimated by the Black
Plague just like Europe and the Middle East?". They're not very likely to have a bigger demand for slaves
or any food surplus to trade in a world where they didn't get the black plague either. And if they did get
it...

Have a bunch of big ships dump the poor peasants near the shores of Newfoundland or such while they go back home to deal with whatever issues they have back at home.
It might be the connotations of the verb "dump" (not to mention of the phrase "dump near the shore"*),
but I'm not sure that survival, followed by the spread of knowledge and technology to the Native
Americans would follow. The way you phrase it Europe wouldn't exactly send their best and most
well-equipped (and if they did, they'd bring people to keep an eye on them and stay in contact).

*If you're going to do that, why bother going all the way to Newfoundland?
 
Prior to the discovery of the Americas there were frequent famines in Northern and Western Europe due to over population. The plague was the last great depopulator prior to the discovery of the Americas that came at a perfect time. As others have pointed out in helped move Feudalism to it's natural end, which in turn helped spark the starts of industry. By the time the Americas were discovered over-population was becoming an issue again, combine this with religious turmoil that would follow, there is a reason governments helped or ever punished people by deporting them to the Americas.

It's hard to envision a world without the black plague, it's almost as hard as envisioning a world without Genghis Khan, the impact both had in the world is massive.
 
Nobles would start to concentrate more wealth and power which could probably lead to the push towards parlamentarism and the rise of commodity prices. More crusades than OTL that might target North Africa rather than Jerusalem and Egypt (like the eight crusade) and maybe Iberia becomes a big inmigration destimation as it was actually heavily underpopulated
 
So discovery of the New World by Europeans could have been butterflied out of existence.

That seems very unlikely to me. Sailing technology had been improving steadily for centuries with or without the plague and more people in Europe means more shipping and trade. I don't see why more people would lead to less exploration and colonization than in our history.
 
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