World War 2 in CP victorious world

Superdude

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The things that led to the rise of the Nazi party were in Germany before World War I. There was a desire for "Lebensraum", there was a rising belief in German superiority, the Military-Bureaucracy was losing its stake on power, and the German economy would have tanked after the war. Germany would start the war, much like it did in OTL, except this time it would be much more powerful and entrenched.
 
The things that led to the rise of the Nazi party were in Germany before World War I. There was a desire for "Lebensraum", there was a rising belief in German superiority, the Military-Bureaucracy was losing its stake on power, and the German economy would have tanked after the war. Germany would start the war, much like it did in OTL, except this time it would be much more powerful and entrenched.

And a good deal of this didn't apply to France as well? Revaunchism (which is in itself a form of self-superiority), entrenched racisms, an intense desire to restore both France's former power and borders, a post-war economy that both struggled to deal with reconstruction and American loans, another potential Great Depression...

If anything, that's an argument that France will make the first move, not Germany.
 
The things that led to the rise of the Nazi party were in Germany before World War I. There was a desire for "Lebensraum", there was a rising belief in German superiority, the Military-Bureaucracy was losing its stake on power, and the German economy would have tanked after the war. Germany would start the war, much like it did in OTL, except this time it would be much more powerful and entrenched.

So the best option is to start an expensive war with economically weaker powers? Also the "things" you talk of I can only assume as class difficulty, economic troubles, belief in Greater Germany, and dozens of other things, that to be honest would be in England, France, Italy, Russia, America, and almost every country ever.
 
And unless TTL WW1 is over very soon, the Germans would have to pay a high toll in lives. They'd have to think twice about starting another war. And as was said, France, Britain and Russia would wish for revenge, as Germany, Hungary and Bulgaria did IOTL. Germany would have to hold down its newly acquired lands in Europe and Africa, and A-H and Turkey would have the same problem, even if they didn't annex anything.
 
And unless TTL WW1 is over very soon, the Germans would have to pay a high toll in lives. They'd have to think twice about starting another war. And as was said, France, Britain and Russia would wish for revenge, as Germany, Hungary and Bulgaria did IOTL. Germany would have to hold down its newly acquired lands in Europe and Africa, and A-H and Turkey would have the same problem, even if they didn't annex anything.

Isn't the most plausible German victory, though, a quick German victory? At least on the Western front?
 
Isn't the most plausible German victory, though, a quick German victory? At least on the Western front?

If on the Western front, then there is a good chance to have a lesser or similar outcome in the East. Add to that possible colonies, and Germany would have to hold down alot in logistical terms.
 
First I believe that Germany would've had better chances to win if they had attacked first in the east, and second, this wasn't 1871 anymore. The weapons favored the defense, and the armies were way bigger.
 

Superdude

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And a good deal of this didn't apply to France as well? Revaunchism (which is in itself a form of self-superiority), entrenched racisms, an intense desire to restore both France's former power and borders, a post-war economy that both struggled to deal with reconstruction and American loans, another potential Great Depression...

If anything, that's an argument that France will make the first move, not Germany.

But would it? Its population would be drained of young men and would be in even worse shape than in OTL come World War II. How in holy hell would even an insane French leader possibly think they could take on a victorious Germany that had 20 odd years to cement its control of Central and Eastern Europe? Isn't it possible that France would see at the end of World War I that any future conflict with Germany would be folly, as opposed to turning to revanchism?


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So the best option is to start an expensive war with economically weaker powers? Also the "things" you talk of I can only assume as class difficulty, economic troubles, belief in Greater Germany, and dozens of other things, that to be honest would be in England, France, Italy, Russia, America, and almost every country ever.

So after losing a long and bloody war, all of the countries you mentioned turned to a mix of Fascism, Mysticism, and Racism that culminated in the attempted destruction of an entire race of people? No, Germany had that special blend of political and popular culture that would lead to another attempt to conquer all of Europe.


Japan was on the winning side of WWI. It got everything it wanted. But it still turned into a Fascist state devoted to domination of Asia. Sure, you can say that Japan wasn't exhausted by the war effort, and thus would be ready to fight another war. A quick Germany victory can't do the same thing?
 

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Imperial German victory would not have prevented the rise of the Nazis for it is an inescapable part of German culture.

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Germany would have not allowed to have neighbouring Bolsheviks at times of peace. Would it not have tried to include Austria in its territory after the inevitable downfall of the Austro-Hungarian Empire?

In terms of population and economy it would be way greater than France so I can only see a grand alliance between Russia, Britain, France and Italy.

And to also add, the militaristic culture of Prussia would have remained and therefore I doubt that the other European powers would be able to surpass it militarily in terms of technology and quality.
 
Robert Newman's comment recalls a story (perhaps apocryphal) about a letter to a national newspaper along similar lines.

It happened to be written by a Scotsman, and some wit (probably English) responded with a letter citing Macbeth, the Glencoe Massacre, and a few other episodes as demonstrating an inherently evil streak in the Scots.

This drew ten replies - nine from Scotsmen cancelling their subscriptions, and one from an Englishman saying "At last someone has dared to tell the truth".
 

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Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg:

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