World post-WWIII with victorious Soviet Union

OK, I know that the odds of this are extremely low, and I'm debating that. In fact, I'm not even interested in how it happened. What I am curious about is what the Soviets would do.

Assume that WWIII broke out sometime in the '70's. Nuclear weapons were used, but in limited amounts, mostly on military targets. Assume some high-profile urban centers were destroyed for their political and economic value, and this goes both ways. Treaties are signed, the Soviets win. What happens next? Germany is unified under the GDR for certain, the support of pro-Soviet governments in Western Europe most likely. What else? What about North America? Annexation of the Caribbean states by Cuba? A Yugoslav like entity in Central America? The fate of the United States? And China. What do they do?
 
Postwar Soviet World

I'm not sure you can say that, Herr Admiral. After all, the US and the West are considered to have won the Cold War without actually invading the former USSR.

I understand where Blizrun is coming from though I think a more credible scenario simply extends Soviet dominance over western Europe in the first instance. This would mean the unification of the two Germanies into a GDR writ large and the likes of Italy, France, Spain and Portugal more or less as socialist allies of the USSR. As for Britain, it's more likely that in the aftermath of defeat, the Royal Family would leave for Canada and a very left-wing Labour Government would take over backed by Soviet troops occupying the bases vacated by US forces.

With places like Fylingdales under Soviet control, the US network of air defence and missile defence is broken.

Elsewhere in the world, it's hard to see an isolated Israel surviving for long against an emboldened Arab coalition and similarly the Gulf States would soon enough become People's Republics.

Soviet domination of the Middle East would extend into Africa though South Africa (controlling Rhodesia, Botswana and Namibia) would be an anti-Soviet bastion. In the east, I wonder if China would ally with Japan against the growth of Russian dominance in the Pacific while Soviet-backed India would face Chinese-backed Pakistan.

Washington would retreat to the western hemisphere, seeking political and economic dominance over Latin America but the Russians would use control of Cuba and Nicaragua to try and extend their influence over the Carribean.
 
i think a leadership decapitation in the U.S. would make it harder for the reds to dictate terms. plus, if europe escapes nuclear fire, it may dissolve nato and deal with the commies in a more subordinative way

anyway, two assholes playing with matches in petrol pool...and the one with less burn trauma claims "victory". the reds will never enjoy the fruits of this victory...
 
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Washington would retreat to the western hemisphere, seeking political and economic dominance over Latin America but the Russians would use control of Cuba and Nicaragua to try and extend their influence over the Carribean.

Not necessarily, The US could lose the global war, but win the battle of Cuba and Nicaragua.

Indeed if things were looking that bad in Europe I could see America really determined not to allow enemies to survive that close to home.
 
Quite frankly the only way I can see the Soviets reaping any fruits from a victory is by winning the Cold War, not a shooting match.

Say for whatever reasons Germany ends up under total Soviet control after WWII (failed D-Day, no Stalin, doesn't matter), this would also lead ot Denmark and Austria falling as well and possibly Norway and Sweden following Finland into becoming free yet submissive neighbours.

This then leads to a wealthier Soviet Bloc, no Berlin confrontations, no West German miracle, and might no doubt help destablise France and Italy, two nations who saw major Communist Party support in OTL in the 1950s, 60s, 70s.

Ultimately Commie wank but by no means impossible, say Italy and France fall to the Communists, any US presence will kicked out, regardless of whether they become full-blown Warsaw Pact partners or simply friendly states. This effectively hands over the continent, with only two aging pseudo-fascist states in Iberia, hardly bastions of democracy. By this point coups and Soviet backed revolutions in Madrid and Lisbon don't seem too far fetched.

This leaves Britain and Ireland who realistically would form extremly strong ties with the USA (more so than OTL) and possibly the Commonwealth to boot. At best (from a Soviet stand point) a Tory government will fall at some time during economic hardships in an increasingly polarised Britain, leading to a Labour government rising that would no doubt kick the Yanks out, so as not to upset their Communist neighbours (the old West German addage, "better Red than Dead" springs to mind), possibly seeing Britain join Scandanavia on the fringe of a Soviet sphere of influence.

Again this is off the top of my head. And I missed out Switzerland :rolleyes:
 
I think we discussed the possibilty of a armed insurgency in such a situation. I think the outcome was maybe.
 
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