World Cup WI: Semifinals Losers Win, Advance to Championship

What effects would the following have on football worldwide?

ATL World Cup:
1930: United States defeats Yugoslavia
1934: Germany defeats Austria
1938: Brazil defeats Sweden
1950: Sweden defeats Spain
1954: Austria defeats Uruguay
1958: France defeats West Germany
1962: Chile defeats Yugoslavia
1966: Portugal defeats USSR
1970: West Germany defeats Uruguay
1974: Poland defeats Brazil
1978: Brazil defeats Italy
1982: Poland defeats France
1986: France defeats Belgium
1990: Italy defeats England
1994: Sweden defeats Bulgaria
1998: Croatia defeats Netherlands
2002: Turkey defeats Korea Republic
2006: Germany defeats Portugal

Total Victories:
Germany: 3 (1934, 1970, 2006)
Brazil: 2 (1938, 1978)
France: 2 (1958, 1986)
Poland: 2 (1974, 1982)
Sweden: 2 (1950, 1994)
Austria: 1 (1954)
Chile: 1 (1962)
Croatia: 1 (1998)
Italy: 1 (1990)
Portugal: 1 (1966)
Turkey: 1 (2002)
United States: 1 (1930)

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Susano

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Even though Germany thusly leads the list, no Miracle of Bern makes me :(
(of course if Austria wins it... heh, Austria-Hungary as final match :D )
 
1998 and 2002 are the most surprising finals ever in public view so to speak.

And we might see an upswing for football in the USA after the win in the first world cup ever.
 
Even though Germany thusly leads the list, no Miracle of Bern makes me :(
(of course if Austria wins it... heh, Austria-Hungary as final match :D )

Reminds me of Otto von Habsburg's best quote, when asked whether he'd seen the Austria-Hungary game, replied "No, who were we playing?" :)
 
I think 2002 and 2006 are actually OTL third place matches. It should be:
2002: Turkey defeats Brazil
2006: Germany defeats Italy
 

Susano

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I think 2002 and 2006 are actually OTL third place matches.
Err, yes, thats the premise of the thread: BOTH semifinals losers win and advance to finals, so the OTL third place match is the final here.

Of course, it doesnt work because it utterly ignores butterflies...
 
Err, yes, thats the premise of the thread: BOTH semifinals losers win and advance to finals, so the OTL third place match is the final here.

Of course, it doesnt work because it utterly ignores butterflies...

True, but its unlikely that there is no likelihood of the events turning out as follows, so I don't think it's ASB, especially as the World Cup doesn't really affect international relations.

The strangest thing to me was that Poland gets a time in the sun in the 1970's and 1980's...very odd!

The 1998 and 2002 World Cups are still probably looked on as aberrations.

The 1966 game probably saw a lot of international tension...still-fascist Portugal toppling the mighty Soviet Union? There might have been a few riots that night...;)

In this TL, some of us are cracking jokes about whether or not Turkey was one of many European teams to win the Cup, or the only Asian team. ;)
 

Ak-84

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Well, Poland is a powerhouse. And I suspect the US sees football (the real type) as being more popular than in OTL.

And the 2002 World Cup was an aberration even in this TL, Turkey and S Korea in the Semis, USA, Senagal in the Quaters (and the US should have by right beaten Germany). 4 years later, 6 former champions were in the quaters, two of the games were former finals.
 
USA, Senagal in the Quaters (and the US should have by right beaten Germany).

Yes, Germany played a crappy 2002 World Cup. They were only waiting for their one goal, and that was it (Except for the 8-0 against Saudi-Arabia :D).

Some ATL World Cup Finals sound very entertaining, especially the ones in 94, 98 and 02. And it's good to see, that Germany is still 3 times World Cup winner in ATL (Although a World Cup victory for Nazi Germany is scary).
 

Susano

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Yes, Germany played a crappy 2002 World Cup. They were only waiting for their one goal, and that was it (Except for the 8-0 against Saudi-Arabia :D).
Well, its generally known that we have the quintessential tourney team. We dont play stimulating or aesthetically pleasing, we play effectively :D
 
Well, its generally known that we have the quintessential tourney team. We dont play stimulating or aesthetically pleasing, we play effectively :D

Unfortunatly, the german team that year ran up against another quintessential tourney team: the Brazilians who play better than everybody else.

:D
 
You just achieved the ultimate Croatian wet-dream. I mean the third place was a national achievement that rivalled having an independent state for them.;)
 

Susano

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Unfortunatly, the german team that year ran up against another quintessential tourney team: the Brazilians who play better than everybody else.

:D

I wouldnt say the Brazilians are a tourney team - they are just better, thats all ;)
 
I have a feeling the media will not like the finals between 1994 and 2002 since the people that would watch finals wouldnt like those teams in a final.

I have a feeling that the match in 1994 would be harder than the bronzematch was OTL, but much more intressting than the final OTL was and that the final in 2002 wouldnt have 2 or 3 goals before the first 15 min were up
 
Err, yes, thats the premise of the thread: BOTH semifinals losers win and advance to finals, so the OTL third place match is the final here.

Of course, it doesnt work because it utterly ignores butterflies...

I see now. I had misunderstood. I thought only one semifinal changed :eek:

I like this World Cup champions better than the ones from OTL, more variety.
 

Ak-84

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How was 1950 calculated, there was no "Final" then, just a last match which Uraguay had to win and did.

And was there even a semi-finals in 1978?
 
How was 1950 calculated, there was no "Final" then, just a last match which Uraguay had to win and did.

And was there even a semi-finals in 1978?

Oh, but there was. Not officially, of course. But the way the final pool worked out, the final games were Sweden vs. Spain and Brazil vs. Uruguay. Uruguay needed a win to claim the title, while a draw meant a brazilian championship, and Sweden needed a win to claim third, with spain taking bronze in the event of a draw. However, Sweden did in fact win its game against Spain, and Uruguay pulled off the Maracanazo to stun Brazil.

And yes, there was a third place match in 1978, although no semi-final. The second round of competition involved the top eight teams playing in two new pools, with the winner of each pool playing in the finals and the runners-up competing for third. Brazil rallied in the second half to defeat italy 2-1.
 
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