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Destroyers type of "Derzkiy"

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The first clash of German and Russian destroyers happened on October 25, 1914, when "Nogaets", "Kalmyk", "Tatarin" and "Skif", the following escorted loaded mines "Sarmat" and "Polovets" met in the area of Memel with seven German destroyers . The result of the battle decided flatness of shooting Russian four-inch 60-caliber guns, shook the Germans have demonstrated the accuracy of fire, costing enemy two destroyers (V-25 and V-28).
Happened near Libau August 18, 1915 fight of the main forces of the Russian Navy (five battleships-dreadnoughts and two battle cruisers) with nine German battleship tipe of the "König" and "Kaiser", after which the opponents were seriously damaged, diverged unsatisfied, not done without division the steam turbine of destroyers. Although, as it is considered a decisive role in this battle played a 14-inch guns of the new flagship of the Baltic Fleet battleship "Imperatritsa Mariya", "cocky Tatars" (Derzkiy – Cocky) made a contribution, leaving three times a demonstrative attack against the German lines, thereby constraining the maneuvering of the opponent. These demonstrations were worth the Baltic Fleet destroyer "Bashkirets" deprived of his run after a few hits 150-mm shells from the German battleships and finished by off the cruiser "Stralsund".
In the Mediterranean theater first four "Derzkiy" came into operation in the autumn of 1914, were consolidated into one division with five destroyers of the "Tatarin", replacing it destroyers type of "Leytenant Shestakov," as ten knots difference in full speed did last unsuitable for joint action with the steam turbine "Tatarins". In 1915, after the commissioning of the remaining five destroyers of the "Derzkiy" the division was divided into two, consisting of seven destroyers each.
Together with the Turkish Navy ships, destroyers Black Sea to ensure the safety of navigation allies in the Aegean Sea. May 28, 1916 "Pospeshnyy" and "Schastlivyy" rescued most of the crew of the Turkish battleship "Torgut Reys ", torpedoed the Italian submarine "F-2."
January 5, 1917, the destroyer "Schastlivyy" was rammed by the Turkish battleship "Sultan Osman I" and sank with all his crew. Started fatal for the Black Sea Fleet 1917 year.

Tests of steam turbine destroyers "Tatarin" identified a number of significant shortcomings there is in the English project. First of all, these include poor seakeeping - at high speeds, during the movement against even a small wave was observed pouring platform bow gun, full speed (35 knots) managed to get "with great difficulty, with a calm sea", and was available for a claim to the stability of the destroyer which appeared, however, after installation in the extremities heavy 102-mm guns.
In accordance with the terms of reference of the following type destroyers were to differ from the "Tatarin’s" to large size, advanced forecastle, the transition to a two-shaft power plant increased to 20,000 hp power, while reducing the number of boilers to four. Armament remained the same, but instead of one pipe torpedo planned to install the same number of two-pipe.
Because of the problems caused by the alignment drawings with British designers turbines, bookmark nine destroyers to the Black Sea was postponed several times. Taking advantage of this, Marine General Staff the spring of 1911, demanded installation of the third four-inch guns, citing his need for the fact that the construction of new high-speed cruisers delayed, same old cruisers are no longer able to maintain steam turbine destroyers in combat. Install additional gun permit, instead of one of the torpedo tubes, remaining as it was recommended to replace triples tubes, a project which at that time did not exist.
For the convenience of placing the third 102-mm guns of the main designers of new destroyers, engineers Nicholas factory "Nawal", change the location of flue boiler rooms, moving them into two funnels instead of the three existing in the original draft. This, together with the elevated location average 102-mm artillery shells at a specially arranged cabin, provided for a large angles of fire on the sharp corners of the course. Designers had to increase the amount of nasal artillery cellar due for provision storerooms displaced as a result of a deckhouse.
In the autumn of 1911, due to the delay of the draft new destroyers for the Baltic Sea, it was decided to build on a factories in St. Petersburg four ships drawings by Nawal "in order to ensure the speedy formation of a full division of high-speed destroyers." All thirteen destroyers type of "Derzkiy" was laid in 1912, and despite the fact that ONZiV persevere in order to build the nine ships of the Black Sea, five of them went to St. Petersburg factories, which had to provide assembly destroyers in temporary slips in Nikolayev and Kherson.

BF
1. Nogaets 1912-1913-1914 Nevsky factory
2. Bashkirets 1912-1913-1914 Nevsky factory
3. Calmac 1912-1913-1914 Putilov shipyard
4. Hazarin 1912-1914-1914 Putilov shipyard

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1. Derzkiy 1912-1913-1914 Nawal
2. Gnevnyy 1912-1913-1914 Nawal
3. Luchshiy 1912-1914-1915 Metal Works
4. Schastlivyy 1912-1914-1915 Putilov shipyard
5. Ladnyy 1912-1914-1915 Metal Works
6. Pospeshnyy 1912-1914-1915 Nevsky factory
7. Pronzitel'nyy 1912-1914-1915 Nevsky factory
8. Bespokoynyy 1913-1914-1914 Nawal
9. Pylkiy 1913-1914-1914 Nawal
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Displacement (norm.): 936 t.
Speed: 34 knots, with a power of 22,000 hp.
Armament: 3 102 mm/60 guns, 2 machine guns, 2 double 45-cm torpedo tubes.
Dimensions: 86,5x8.48x2,72 m.
 
Black Day of the Baltic Fleet

After losing in held August 22, 1916 Battle of Jutland three battleships-dreadnoughts ("Bayern", "Friedrich der Grosse" and "Kaiserin") and seven pre-dreadnought battleships of the "Braunschweig" and "Deutschland", the German navy has weakened so that for him became even dangerous operation in the Baltic Sea. Given the weakening of the enemy, the commander of the Baltic Fleet, Vice Admiral N. M. Bukhvostov, decided to bring the main force of the fleet, which included six battleships-dreadnoughts ("Retvizan" was under repair after landing on a rocky beach) and three battle cruisers, in the southern part of the Baltic Sea with to destroy all the ships at sea enemy.
September 2, first squadron of the Baltic Fleet reached the latitude of Libau, but at 15.42 battleship "Sevastopol" hit a mine. From the explosion detonated right nasal cellar tower of the main fire, so afloat "Sevastopol" lasted only a few minutes. Two minutes after the first explosion blew the flagship battleship "Imperatritsa Mariya", which luckily managed to stay afloat.
While the rest of the ships of the squadron engaged save the remnants of the team "Sevastopol" and "Imperatritsa Yelizaveta" tried to take in tow deprived stroke "Imperatritsa Mariya", a German submarine «U-44" torpedoed battleship "Poltava". Now in tow needed for two ships.
To top it all, the after the withdrawal of the Russian squadron «U-44" has transferred his command information on injuries Russian ships and their position. From Memel was sent a flotilla of destroyers which had orders to attack at all costs and to finish off-Russian battleships damaged, but at 19.30 flotilla encountered are on patrol Russian cruiser "Admiral Chichagov" and "Admiral Greig". Primarily established to combat destroyers "Admirals" do not miss this opportunity - in short battle were destroyed four German destroyers, the other ignominiously back in Memel. Unfortunately, to save the "Poltava" failed exhausted buoyancy, the battleship sank just 80 miles from Helsingfors.
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After the cessation design options of steam turbine cruiser "Razboynik", work began on a new draft of the tower's protected cruisers. The first version of this project was to develop a speed of 27 knots, with a displacement of 4700 tons, and have adopted a single 203-mm guns in the nose turret and six 120 mm in the rear and side two-gun turrets. This option was considered strong enough not for their tonnage and armament was increased to two 203-mm and eight 120-mm guns, located in six towers, but with the displacement increased to 5500 tonnes. The next version of the project involves the installation of armor belt and weapons of two 203-mm guns and 12 102-mm, which, however, was considered insufficient for the "steady destruction" enemy destroyers.
In the future, opinions were divided: some employees of Marine General Staff demanded designed higher speed cruisers at least up to 30 knots, with the abandonment of 203-mm guns, but with the number of 120-mm guns to 14-16, their opponents argued that 30 knots is not enough, to catch up with the 35-node destroyers, but the 203-mm gun permit these destroyers to hit with a large distance.
Won the second point of view - St. Petersburg plants to get along in the drafting of 28-node cruiser, with a displacement of 6,000 tons, armed with two tower 203-mm guns and 12 120-mm partially located in the casemates, partly decked-shield installations. The winner was a project of the Baltic plant, which had a displacement of 6200 tons. However, further design displacement cruisers reached 6,500 tons, which was caused in the first place, the desire to improve its stability by deepening.
Steam turbine provided are generated by twelve with steam boilers Yarrow, half of which was oil heating.
In the course of construction on the cruiser was equipped with two 64-mm anti-aircraft guns, placed on elevated platforms located diagonally across from the second chimney.
The first two ships were called "Admiral Chichagov" and "Admiral Greig" were laid at the Baltic Shipyard and Galley island summer of 1912. At the end of the same year, two cruisers, "Admiral Butakov" and "Admiral Popov," were laid in slipways the Putilov’s shipyard and Revel Russian-Baltic plant. However, with the outbreak of war their construction slowed slightly in connection with the completion of the priority of the same plants under construction ships of the line, but until the end of 1916 three cruisers were successfully commissioned fleet. "Admiral Butakov" finished testing only the summer of 1917.
Four Black sea cruiser laid too late and did not have time to participate in the First World War.

Admiral Chichagov 1912-1913-(1916) Baltic plant
Admiral Greig 1912-1914 (1916) Galley island
Admiral Butakov 1912-(1915-1917) Putilov’s shipyard
Admiral Popov 1912-(1914-1916) Russian-Baltic plant

Admiral Nakhimov 1914-(1916-1918) Russud
Admiral Lazarev 1914-(1916-1919) Russud
Admiral Kornilov 1914-(1917-1920) Russud
Admiral Istomin 1914-(1918-1920) Russud

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Displacement (norm.): 6500 m.

Speed: 28 knots, at a power of 38,000 hp

Armament: 2x1 203 mm/55, 12x1 120-mm/60 2x1 64-mm anti-aircraft guns, two 45-cm torpedo tubes.
Reservations: board - 75 mm, deck - 20 + 20 mm.

Dimensions(KVL): 149,0x15,2x5,75 m.
 
Kronstadt finale

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On the night of February 25, 1918 the chain soldiers of Directory Moscow moved on ice Gulf of Finland to the rebellious Kronstadt.
After the defeat in fighting the November in Moscow and came to power in the old capital of military directory, led by General Kornilov, anti-Bolshevik demonstrations began in other cities of the country in which the rebels previously relatively easily able to seize power. In these circumstances, the Bolsheviks did not dare to disperse the Constituent Assembly, which is one of the first of its resolutions condemned the adventure of Lenin and his henchmen, calling for the restoration of law and order throughout the Russian republic. Approximation of government troops forced members of the Sovnarkom at the end of December to leave Petrograd and take refuge in the fortress of Kronstadt.
Nevertheless, the situation remained tense in Petrograd. Have fallen into hiding Red Guards and the gangs of anarchists created a constant threat of a new rebellion, which could be supported from Kronstadt. At the same time, the intended transition to the main forces of the Baltic Fleet from deposited German-Swedish troops Helsingfors to Kronstadt, it was necessary to restore order in the new main base, otherwise the command of warships could become easy prey of Bolshevik rhetoric.
Despite the fact that the majority of officers and soldiers assault units were dressed in white maskhalaty, cast their long shadows were clearly visible in the spotlight of the fortress. The rebels opened gunfire, fortunately very inaccurate. The position of the government troops has deteriorated sharply, when from Kronstadt harbor opened fire the battleship "Demokratiya" (former "Imperatritsa Aleksandra"). Huge, almost 50-poods "suitcases", torn in shallow water, formed a airholes area of many hundreds of square meters, filled with broken ice, which found their graves are many nameless fighters against counterrevolution. However, after the third volley in the nose turret "democracy" there was a huge explosion, instantly turn almost half of the ship into a shapeless heap of iron. Demoralized explosion rebels began throwing their positions, rushing to seek refuge in the Finnish coast. By noon Kronstadt was taken.
The most likely cause of the explosion of "Demokratiya" is considered a diversion, carried out by an officer of the battleship killed while explosion the ship. You can confidently assume that with "Demokratiya" are gone all the leaders of the October insurrection, led by Lenin and Trotsky. Anyway, no trace Bolshevik top could be detected.

"Demokratiya" was not the first ship of the largest series of domestic battleships lost during II Patriotic War.
In August 1917, the capture of Constantinople by the German troops crossed the on the Asian shore of the Bosphorus, developing rapid advance in order to capture the entire southern coast of the Sea of Marmara, and there are Russian-Turkish naval bases. Been transferred to Turkey via port Zonguldak Russian troops were unfit for action, referring to flee at the first shots of the enemy.
Were in the Sea of Marmara Russian ships had a good chance to break through the Dardanelles into the Mediterranean Sea to the English (captured by the Germans Gallipoli shore batteries were equipped with obsolete tools are not a serious threat to the ships of the line), but the revolutionary crews decided otherwise. August 30, 1917 battleships "Chesma", "Kinburn," "Ioann Zlatoust", "Knyaz Potemkin-Tavricheskiy" and "Tri svyatitelya" cruiser "Pamyat Merkuriya", "Kagul" and "Almaz", ten destroyers and four submarines were sunk in the Sea of Marmara at a depth of about 200 meters. Along with them were flooded and Turkish ships "Sultan Osman I», «Hamidie" and "Medgidia", as well as the best destroyers of the Turkish fleet.

Shipbuilding program for 1907 to 1911 had to lay four battleships and two armored cruisers of the Baltic Fleet. Eventually, however, the construction of two battleships ("Imperatritsa Mariya" and "Imperatritsa Yekaterina Velikaya") began in the summer of 1911, which was associated with significant changes in the project due to the adoption for them 14-inch guns. In addition to the original design changes made battleships of "Poltava" (increased speed of up to 23 knots, a strengthening of the armor, the addition of the forecastle), new ships have received arms from nine 356-mm guns in three three-gun turrets.
In the spring of next year at the construction Putilov shipyard and Revel Russian-Baltic plant were laid two more ships of this type are related by the following shipbuilding program 1911-1915 period.
Adopted in the same 1911, the program strengthening the Black Sea Fleet included laid down three battleships, which were originally supposed to be built on another project, with a decrease in speed of up to 21 knots. However, this idea was heavily criticized of the Naval General Staff as saying that in connection with the planned seizure of the Black Sea straits diverse nature Baltic and Black Sea ships can not be considered optimal, and started construction in Nikolaev dreadnoughts built on already fulfilled the project "Empresses".
Nevertheless, part of the staff of the Naval General Staff and Main Artillery management of fleet did not stop criticizing adopted the draft, as he broke the GAC adopted the concept of " frequent four guns volleys", not stopping even before the direct sabotage.
At the end of 1912, returned from a trip to England, Admiral Grigorovich was horrified to learn that during his absence Naval General Staff decided to stop the construction of battleships of the "Imperatritsa Mariya", disassemble the unfinished building and start designing new ships with 12 guns of the main fire. His power the Minister of Marine Grigorovich immediately reversed the decision, ordering to continue the construction of "no change".
The first of the new superdreadnoughts put into operation in the summer of 1915, "Imperatritsa Mariya", which became the new flagship of the Baltic Fleet. In the autumn of the same year saw the commissioning of the Black Sea battleships "Izmail" and "Scesma", joined the Turkish battleship "Sultan Osman I» and holding under the full control of the Aegean Sea. In 1916 came into operation "Imperatritsa Yekaterina Velikaya", "Imperatritsa Yelizaveta" and the Black Sea "Kinburn." Putilov shipyard build shipyard "Imperatritsa Aleksandra" was put into operation in the autumn of 1917, under the new name "Demokratiya".
In March 1917, have been renamed and three are in the ranks "Empress", received the revolutionary name "Svoboda" ("Imperatritsa Mariya"), " Narodovlastiye" ("Imperatritsa Yekaterina Velikaya") and " Respublika" ("Imperatritsa Yelizaveta").

1. Imperatritsa Mariya 1911-1912-(1915) Baltic plant
2. Imperatritsa Yekaterina Velikaya 1911-1913-(1916) Galley island
3. Imperatritsa Aleksandra 1912-1914-(1917) Putilov shipyard
4. Imperatritsa Yelizaveta 1912-1914-(1916) Russian-Baltic plant
5. Izmail 1912-1913- (1915) Russud
6. Chesma 1912-1914- (1915) Nawal
7. Kinburn 1912-1914- (1916) Russud
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Displacement (norm.) - 26300 tons.
Speed - 23 knots. Power PTU - 46000 hp
Armament: 3x3 356 mm/52, 24x1 120 mm/60 4 45-cm torpedo tubes.
Reservations: main armor belt - 320 mm, the upper armor belt - 203 mm, decks - 51 + 25 mm.
Dimensions (KVL): 196,3x29.0x8,5 m.

End of the first portion.
 
Thank you very much. :) But the continuation have to wait, thoughts are not yet fully formed. Now I will continue the old alternatives.
 
Any word on continuing this?;)

EcoBOOM said:
Please continue!

Thank you.
Not right away. I've been distracted on Muraviya.
In short: In Russia, the Republican government in power. Problems with land reform. The fight against the military, gravitating toward fascism (hard authority!). Relations with Britain and France are tense due to the fact that Russia did not get the part of the victory of the pie, which expected.
Oddly enough, but I get a similar foreign policy pursued by the Soviet Union.:eek:
 
So what are the borders ITTL?
You mean a bifurcation?
This lack of Battle of Tsushima. Without it, the Russian military shipbuilding will develop more actively, leading to action of the Baltic Fleet, in real history who had very good military training, but did not have modern ships.
 
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