With no Louisiana will America take Canada?

That, or just have Spain not agree to the re-hand over to France. Than, under the British policy of enforcing Ferdinand's sovereginity post-coup the territory would remain under the Bourbon crown through the war.
if history goes as in OTL and Spain is invaded by Napoleon... the US is going to be very tempted to try to take New Orleans while Spain is fairly helpless. The US has some bad memories of Spain blocking access to NO in the past...
 
if history goes as in OTL and Spain is invaded by Napoleon... the US is going to be very tempted to try to take New Orleans while Spain is fairly helpless. The US has some bad memories of Spain blocking access to NO in the past...

... and Britain says "No" under the previously stated policy of strictly maintaining the legal notion of Ferdinand's sovergein authority over all his territories. And probably twists the local authority's arms to open access in exchange for the US ending the Embrago against the UK (Assuming butterflies don't blow it away) throwing a bucket of cold water over the war sentiments among the Western regions who, in cohalition with the Federalists, likely present a big enough bloc of resistance to head off the DOW.

Of course, that's assuming the Spainish government (disojointed in exile as it is) dosen't sell the territory instead to get the cash needed to sustain a major war effort. I could certainly see it being sold at a less-firesale price in that case.
 
... and Britain says "No" under the previously stated policy of strictly maintaining the legal notion of Ferdinand's sovergein authority over all his territories. And probably twists the local authority's arms to open access in exchange for the US ending the Embrago against the UK (Assuming butterflies don't blow it away) throwing a bucket of cold water over the war sentiments among the Western regions who, in cohalition with the Federalists, likely present a big enough bloc of resistance to head off the DOW.

Of course, that's assuming the Spainish government (disojointed in exile as it is) dosen't sell the territory instead to get the cash needed to sustain a major war effort. I could certainly see it being sold at a less-firesale price in that case.
that's certainly possible. Although this is falling outside the scope of the OP, which is 'no LA Territory sale, will US invade Canada'. But I can't help but think that there will no consideration of Canada at all until the status of NO is decided once and for all...
 
that's certainly possible. Although this is falling outside the scope of the OP, which is 'no LA Territory sale, will US invade Canada'. But I can't help but think that there will no consideration of Canada at all until the status of NO is decided once and for all...

Agreed with that thought. NO and the Mississippi is far more vital to US interests in general than Canada, and if they have to chose against trying to take one or the other will put the focus on the former. So, with No Sale the result is they're going to be either hostile to whomever is trying to keep them out of it commerically, or they're being held in check by the carrot of stick of access/denial of the port by a friendly or at least true netural holder.
 
the popular version is that the US initiated the talks for selling the port. you can POD away having a president who is proactive, and have the US taking the attitude of just looking to have guarantees of open shipping instead of looking to take ownership of the port. While Manifest Destiny in hindsight looks like a pre-ordained thing, that really isn't the case. France could end up holding a territory it no longer really wants, in which case Spain continues to govern the region for France, as in OTL, until France breaks with Spain and Spain simply reclaims it as theirs.
 
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