WIP Map Thread

[PobreCesar]

This would be one of the ones where I'm struggling to finish the writeup.

Some progress on this at least

Spoiler: edit: Further update

Honestly, I think I'm going to give up on trying to make this into a single map, it's just becoming too unwieldy. I'm not abandoning it though, I'm just going to break it into a series of smaller writeups and maps.

 

[Sacer Bubonicus]

A very, very WIP map of Kitchen Sink TL. Basically a kitchen sink of all the somewhat obscure early-mid 19th century PODs I like experimenting with, mashed into one TL. Africa will certainly look very different by the end, and there will be a Big Mexico (TM) in the west.

btw, if you have an interesting POD you like experimenting with, please mention it. I might want to add it in, and I'll credit you for the idea.

 

[WheelyWheelyLegsNoFeely]

A very, very WIP map of Kitchen Sink TL. Basically a kitchen sink of all the somewhat obscure early-mid 19th century PODs I like experimenting with, mashed into one TL. Africa will certainly look very different by the end, and there will be a Big Mexico (TM) in the west.

btw, if you have an interesting POD you like experimenting with, please mention it. I might want to add it in, and I'll credit you for the idea.

What PODs have you used so far?

 

[Sacer Bubonicus]

What PODs have you used so far?

1805: Golovkin Embassy succeeds.
1814: Denmark-Norway stays together.
1815: Netherlands get Luxembourg in addition to Belgium at the Congress of Vienna.

1822: Iturbide's Mexican Empire survives and stabilizes.
1820s: the Peruvian royalist forces defeat the revolutionaries on land, and Peru remains a Spanish colony.
1820s: Gran Colombia is more stable and is able to suppress the Venezuelan and Ecuadorian secessionists.
1828: the Portuguese Civil War breaks out, and the pro-absolutist Miguelists are supported by France and Russia.
1830: no Polish rebellion (yet), so the French and Belgian revolutions are put down with Russian aid, like in 1848 Hungary IOTL.
1833: the First Carlist War breaks out, and the pro-absolutist Carlists are supported by France and Russia.
1848: Polish rebellion happens now, so Russia can't help the Austrians defeat Hungary.

There are some more I forgot to mention, but those are just the ones off the top of my head.

 

[WheelyWheelyLegsNoFeely]

1805: Golovkin Embassy succeeds.
1814: Denmark-Norway stays together.
1815: Netherlands get Luxembourg in addition to Belgium at the Congress of Vienna.

1822: Iturbide's Mexican Empire survives and stabilizes.
1820s: the Peruvian royalist forces defeat the revolutionaries on land, and Peru remains a Spanish colony.
1820s: Gran Colombia is more stable and is able to suppress the Venezuelan and Ecuadorian secessionists.
1828: the Portuguese Civil War breaks out, and the pro-absolutist Miguelists are supported by France and Russia.
1830: no Polish rebellion (yet), so the French and Belgian revolutions are put down with Russian aid, like in 1848 Hungary IOTL.
1833: the First Carlist War breaks out, and the pro-absolutist Carlists are supported by France and Russia.
1848: Polish rebellion happens now, so Russia can't help the Austrians defeat Hungary.

There are some more I forgot to mention, but those are just the ones off the top of my head.

That already sounds pretty interesting! This is a bit later in the 19th century, but one possible POD that I think could be interesting is that while touring the world in 1881, King Kalakaua of Hawaii proposed a royal marriage and alliance with Japan under Meiji. From Wikipedia:

Concern over a possible United States seizure of the Hawaiian Islands motivated Kalākaua to hold a secret meeting with the Emperor to bring Hawaii under the protective aegis of the Japanese empire. He proposed to unite the two nations with an arranged marriage between his 5-year-old niece Princess Kaʻiulani and 13-year-old Prince Yamashina Sadamaro. Historian Ralph Kuykendall said the proposal was rejected both by Sadamaro, upon advice of his father, and by the government of Japan. The Hawaiian king also recommended that Emperor Meiji create a "Union and Federation of the Asiatic nations and sovereigns" with Japan as its head, although the Emperor politely declined this idea at a later date.

What sort of regime is France under at this point? You mentioned the 1830 revolution being put down, but is France still under the Bourbon Restoration or have the Orleanists, Bonapartes, or Republicans been able to overthrow them?

You mentioned that Gran Colombia defeated the Ecuadorian secessionists, but it looks like Ecuador is still part of royalist Peru. Was this a later development or simply a mistake?

 

[Sacer Bubonicus]

Other stuff I forgot to add:

1808: [not yet shown] The Sokoto Caliphate conquers Bornu, and eventually expands west until it reaches Ottoman Sudan.
1813: The British East India Company's new charter revokes its monopoly on British trade with China, in addition to India. The ensuing rise in opium smuggling into China leads to an early Opium War. In the long-term, this results in the Qing government successfully modernizing, with their neighbors copying their example. In Japan, the Tokugawa shogunate retains power.
1831: The Mamluk governors of Ottoman Iraq are able to retain their autonomy.
1833: [not yet shown] The Pagaruyung kingdom in Sumatra does not rebel against the Dutch, and is not dissolved.
1840: Muhammad Ali accepts the Convention of London instead of repudiating it, and thus is able to retain control of Syria.

That already sounds pretty interesting! This is a bit later in the 19th century, but one possible POD that I think could be interesting is that while touring the world in 1881, King Kalakaua of Hawaii proposed a royal marriage and alliance with Japan under Meiji. From Wikipedia:

I'll add that one in.

What sort of regime is France under at this point? You mentioned the 1830 revolution being put down, but is France still under the Bourbon Restoration or have the Orleanists, Bonapartes, or Republicans been able to overthrow them?

The Bourbons barely managed to hold on, with Spanish support.

You mentioned that Gran Colombia defeated the Ecuadorian secessionists, but it looks like Ecuador is still part of royalist Peru. Was this a later development or simply a mistake?

A later Spanish attempt to reconquer the rest of the colonies which only resulted in minor gains.

 

[DracoLazarus]

1805: Golovkin Embassy succeeds.
1814: Denmark-Norway stays together.
1815: Netherlands get Luxembourg in addition to Belgium at the Congress of Vienna.

1822: Iturbide's Mexican Empire survives and stabilizes.
1820s: the Peruvian royalist forces defeat the revolutionaries on land, and Peru remains a Spanish colony.
1820s: Gran Colombia is more stable and is able to suppress the Venezuelan and Ecuadorian secessionists.
1828: the Portuguese Civil War breaks out, and the pro-absolutist Miguelists are supported by France and Russia.
1830: no Polish rebellion (yet), so the French and Belgian revolutions are put down with Russian aid, like in 1848 Hungary IOTL.
1833: the First Carlist War breaks out, and the pro-absolutist Carlists are supported by France and Russia.
1848: Polish rebellion happens now, so Russia can't help the Austrians defeat Hungary.

There are some more I forgot to mention, but those are just the ones off the top of my head.

i personally disagree the Russians would've been able to put down the French revolution in 1830 for a simple reason.
It's known as the Trois Glorieuses. Three days of revolution, and that was it.
After that, they put in place a new King. The constitution was a tiny bit more liberal, but France didn't change its outlook on a grand scale at all.
The Russians have no reason to get involved.
Belgium, though, is a different matter.

 

[Baconheimer]

A very, very WIP map of Kitchen Sink TL. Basically a kitchen sink of all the somewhat obscure early-mid 19th century PODs I like experimenting with, mashed into one TL. Africa will certainly look very different by the end, and there will be a Big Mexico (TM) in the west.

btw, if you have an interesting POD you like experimenting with, please mention it. I might want to add it in, and I'll credit you for the idea.

There were some plans to resettle the Icelandic population in Alaska after a volcanic eruption in the 1870s. Not sure if that's too late for you.

There's also the Antilles Confederation.

 

[Wendell]

A very, very WIP map of Kitchen Sink TL. Basically a kitchen sink of all the somewhat obscure early-mid 19th century PODs I like experimenting with, mashed into one TL. Africa will certainly look very different by the end, and there will be a Big Mexico (TM) in the west.

btw, if you have an interesting POD you like experimenting with, please mention it. I might want to add it in, and I'll credit you for the idea.

How about British control over the entire Volta basin?

 

[WheelyWheelyLegsNoFeely]

Credit goes to @33k7 for the original ASOIAF base map and @Serafim for the original map connecting that world to historical Earth. So far this is mostly just me attempting to fill out the rest of the world's geography. Don't ask how the geography works or how groups like the Spanish, Ottomans, and Native Americans still exist - this is definitely meant to be a fantasy scenario where butterflies play second fiddle to making an interesting world.

I honestly haven't done too much with this yet other than adding some geographic features. I've had an idea for a while to bring this scenario up to the 20th century, with the Old World being based loosely on what I've read about the Temeraire universe (mostly just due to the existence of dragons in both scenarios), with Europe being dominated by a Napoleonic French Empire still at odds with the British in a broadly steampunk-magitech setting. The main hurdle I'm having right now is the fact that the original map I've been building on (again, 99% of the credit for now goes to @Serafim ) is how outdated the Earth WorldA is, which makes editing it based on newer map material something of a daunting task. That being said I do have a lot of ideas about the state of the world if anyone has any questions.

 

[Impossible_Quail_250]

Map of the World in 1487, Upon the discovery of the new World

 

[FesteringSpore]

A very, very WIP map of Kitchen Sink TL. Basically a kitchen sink of all the somewhat obscure early-mid 19th century PODs I like experimenting with, mashed into one TL. Africa will certainly look very different by the end, and there will be a Big Mexico (TM) in the west.

btw, if you have an interesting POD you like experimenting with, please mention it. I might want to add it in, and I'll credit you for the idea.

>mfw qing vietnam

 

[PobreCesar]

 

[Autochrome]

View attachment 831842

Italian-Japanese-Soviet Alliance?

 

[PobreCesar]

Italian-Japanese-Soviet Alliance?

Yes

 

[Višeslav]

WARNING:

THIS MAP IS IMMENSE. DO NOT CLICK TO ZOOM/OPEN IT UNLESS YOUR COMPUTER IS A POWERHOUSE. I WILL LIKELY SHRINK IT FOR THE FINAL POST.​

Serbia map continues. Now you can see the full size of the project.

 

[endermage989]

1805: Golovkin Embassy succeeds.
1814: Denmark-Norway stays together.
1815: Netherlands get Luxembourg in addition to Belgium at the Congress of Vienna.

1822: Iturbide's Mexican Empire survives and stabilizes.
1820s: the Peruvian royalist forces defeat the revolutionaries on land, and Peru remains a Spanish colony.
1820s: Gran Colombia is more stable and is able to suppress the Venezuelan and Ecuadorian secessionists.
1828: the Portuguese Civil War breaks out, and the pro-absolutist Miguelists are supported by France and Russia.
1830: no Polish rebellion (yet), so the French and Belgian revolutions are put down with Russian aid, like in 1848 Hungary IOTL.
1833: the First Carlist War breaks out, and the pro-absolutist Carlists are supported by France and Russia.
1848: Polish rebellion happens now, so Russia can't help the Austrians defeat Hungary.

There are some more I forgot to mention, but those are just the ones off the top of my head.

Have you considered an independent Philippines with the Spanish failing to crush it and it doesnt get annexed since Mexico is big, thus preventing American imperialism?

 

[Višeslav]

Have you considered an independent Philippines with the Spanish failing to crush it and it doesnt get annexed since Mexico is big, thus preventing American imperialism?

I see that and counter with: have you considered Mexican Philippines

 

[MasterSanders]

Here's a hand drawn map of the previous one I posted earlier. I'm looking for someone willing to take commissions to make a worlda style png map in this projection. Anyone who is interested, please contact me.

Edit: Here's the map I used for the trace.

 

[Beatriz]

In terms of maps, is there a “smallest country that can be clearly perceived on the map without squinting” limit?

I suspect the tendency towards spacefiling empires in earlier maps stemmed from less resolution/smaller maps?