Winston Churchil killed at Gallipoli

So what do you think of his death.


When does his death occur? Answer that, then look into the totality of Churchill's life so you can grasp the immediate changes, and you'll begin to fashion a time line.

Killing him in 1915 and then blithely presuming 24 years later there will be a WW2 which resembles the OTL version in anything but the broadest of brushstrokes is lazy thinking on the level of Turtledove.
 

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When does his death occur? Answer that, then look into the totality of Churchill's life so you can grasp the immediate changes, and you'll begin to fashion a time line.

Killing him in 1915 and then blithely presuming 24 years later there will be a WW2 which resembles the OTL version in anything but the broadest of brushstrokes is lazy thinking on the level of Turtledove.

Now, now. Turtledove was worse.
 
When does his death occur? Answer that, then look into the totality of Churchill's life so you can grasp the immediate changes, and you'll begin to fashion a time line.

Killing him in 1915 and then blithely presuming 24 years later there will be a WW2 which resembles the OTL version in anything but the broadest of brushstrokes is lazy thinking on the level of Turtledove.


Oh he dies at Somme, so Im guessing they're might not be a WWII as we know it.... Chamberlain remains mineister and Poland gets annexed and Then.... Most likely, a war will never occur, not sure how to go from here.:d
 
He left before the Somme started ;) Plenty of opportunities for him to be killed by a random shell/sniper though.

Presumably this has butterflies for the post-war Liberal and Conservative governments. Do we still go back on the Gold Standard and introduce the Ten Year Rule I wonder?
 
Oh he dies at Somme...

Which began three months after he left the Scots Fusiliers and returned to Britain.

... so Im guessing they're might not be a WWII as we know it....
Guessing? :rolleyes:

... Chamberlain remains mineister...
Sure. Chamberlain is going to be PM in the late Thirties because British politics is going to play in precisely the same manner it did for over twenty years despite the loss of a man who was intimately involved in it for that entire period.

... and Poland gets annexed...
And European politics is going to remain completely unchanged because British politics remained unchanged too.

Most likely, a war will never occur...
If Versailles and the Depression occur, a war will.

.. not sure how to go from here.:d
May I nominate that for Understatement of the Week?

You don't even know how you'll begin, so it's a given that you won't even know how to go on.
 
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Which began three months after he left the Scots Fusiliers and returned to Britain.

Guessing? :rolleyes:

Sure. Chamberlain is going to be PM in the late Thirties because British politics is going to play in precisely the same manner it did for over twenty years despite the loss of a man who was intimately involved in it for that entire period.

And European politics is going to remain completely unchanged because British politics remained unchanged too.

If Versailles and the Depression occur, a war will.


May I nominate that for Understatement of the Week?

You don't even know how you'll begin, so it's a given that you won't even know how to go on.

Oh I was being sarcastic did you seriously beleiveme :D lol I was bored and wanted to say something stupid, here's what really happens. anyway fine I'll have him die in trench battle my outline is that Churchil dies so in the 1930s the depression hits but the PM botches up and soon Hitler takes power like usual, Japan- US tensions remain, China still gets attacked and when war does breakout well have a Britain that is easier to bargain with, churchil was the one who bolstered morale and gave people hope and he never wanted peace but I'm sure chamberlain be willing do then I see a four way cold war beetween Britain, Nazi Germany, America, Soviet union and the Japanese still get their arses kicked but Germany does not declare war....
 
"... lol..."

"... bored and wanted to say something stupid..."

Tell me, when did this board become 4Chan?

I thought all these people would be leaving when school started. Why haven't they left yet?



No I'm not a troll, I have a valid TL, Read the rest of the post and tell me the mistakes, plz:(
 
I think I got it, but it'll be a pod before 1900, at Mahmoud valley in 1895 Churchill and his division were ambushed and barely made it out alive so Churchill could get killed by a tribesmen what do you guys think.
 
You do realize this entire website revolves mere speculation and guessing.


Do you realize there is a great difference between speculation and guessing?

speculation – noun 1. the contemplation or consideration of some subject: to engage in speculation on humanity's ultimate destiny.

guess – verb 1. to arrive at or commit oneself to an opinion about (something) without having sufficient evidence to support the opinion fully: to guess a person's weight.

Note the bit about not having "sufficient evidence to support the opinion fully". We try to speculate here, guessing is a last resort.

That is far from certain.
Again, note my use of the word "if" and my use of the word "a". If a treaty which is seen as punitive and is not enforced occurs and an economic slump is brought on by the structural problems in many post-war national economies, then a war is in the offing.

Not a war between a Nazi/Facist/Whatever Germany and Britain, but a war somewhere between two powers which will impinge on Britain's worldwide commitments.

As the OP has admitted, the question posed in this thread is just an exercise in boredom by some 4chan "b-tard" and nothing more. He killed off some historical figure he vaguely remembers from school, added a few "lols", and sat back to watch the fun.
 
As the OP has admitted, the question posed in this thread is just an exercise in boredom by some 4chan "b-tard" and nothing more. He killed off some historical figure he vaguely remembers from school, added a few "lols", and sat back to watch the fun.

How's the view from up there on your pedestal? :rolleyes:

Gustavus - Churchill being killed before the war, before 1900 even, will have massive ramifications long before the Second World War (which is butterflied away). He was an important reason for the Liberal Reforms being enacted during his time as Lloyd George's ally in the 1900s-1910s - and in fact he was important in convincing the latter that war with Germany was a good idea in 1914.
 
How's the view from up there on your pedestal? :rolleyes:

Gustavus - Churchill being killed before the war, before 1900 even, will have massive ramifications long before the Second World War (which is butterflied away). He was an important reason for the Liberal Reforms being enacted during his time as Lloyd George's ally in the 1900s-1910s - and in fact he was important in convincing the latter that war with Germany was a good idea in 1914.


Yeah I understand, so I beleive that WWII might not occur and WWI will be different but I'm willing to take the risk, and see what happens if you guys are interested.
 
How's the view from up there on your pedestal?


Pretty good actually

How are you enjoying playing in the mud with a b-tard who thinks killing off Churchill during the Malakand expedition won't greatly affect the Liberal Party's various reforms, reforms in the Royal Navy, the dreadnought race with Germany, Britain's entry into WW1, and innumerable other events enough so that a WW2 will still occur?

Or are you just in it for the "lulz" too?
 
Pretty good actually

How are you enjoying playing in the mud with a b-tard who thinks killing off Churchill during the Malakand expedition won't greatly affect the Liberal Party's various reforms, reforms in the Royal Navy, the dreadnought race with Germany, Britain's entry into WW1, and innumerable other events enough so that a WW2 will still occur?

Or are you just in it for the "lulz" too?
What the he'll man bloody cripes Ive Been trying to tell you that I beleive that things would change, Of course it would affect reforms creating a world which is completly diff from ours, I'm willing to take the risk if you guys are interested I don't want to start a tl that is not interesting!!!!!!!!
 
Or are you just in it for the "lulz" too?

My base setting is to attempt to help, not judge and insult. You should try it - then maybe you wouldn't come across as being so angry. :)


(I know, I know, "who's on the pedestal now?" etc :D)

In all seriousness, the Churchill dies 'what if' has probably been covered numerous times, so the search function's probably your best bet here.
 
In all seriousness, the Churchill dies 'what if' has probably been covered numerous times, so the search function's probably your best bet here.


I cannot agree with that suggestion more strongly.

Of course using the search function would entail more work than a bored b-tard might be willing to undertake.

Anyway, as the school year settles in, we'll hopefully be spared more threads like this.
 
I cannot agree with that suggestion more strongly.

Of course using the search function would entail more work than a bored b-tard might be willing to undertake.

Anyway, as the school year settles in, we'll hopefully be spared more threads like this.


Oh my god I'm trying toagree with you read my posts you troll, listen I used the search function and i found maybe 2 such timelines one in 1945 the other in 1911 others were just questions I'm trying to create a solid TL which I'm willing to do research for which creates a world without Churchill that is completly diff from ours, I'm willing tondo research I just want to know if people will be interested, and no I'm not from four chan I have never visited that sight:(:(:(:(:(
 
Alright here's the true tl for gods sake.....
1897

Churchil and the scouts were carefully treading dangerous territory, the enemy tribe could be hiding anywhere Churchil was sweaty as they stepped, suddenly they heard yells and found themselves surrounded Churchil took cover and tried desperatly to fight back. However churchil felt a strance thud from behind and henlost consiousness, the sikh regiment arrived two late a d the whe team died, they're were no survivors. His death was mourned by his father who died of a broken heart and the family was suffering.

How's this....
 
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