Wings of the Free World: What If The Avro Arrow entered service?
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TSR-2 may have some hope, I'm debating about that...
And, yes, the Luftwaffe is now awaiting their first deliveries of their new fighter-interceptors...
India is also interested, and unlike America, Canada sees the need to try to keep India pro-West, and is thus allowing Avro Canada to entice the Indian Air Force with the Arrow and the Flechette.
And, yes, the Luftwaffe is now awaiting their first deliveries of their new fighter-interceptors...
India is also interested, and unlike America, Canada sees the need to try to keep India pro-West, and is thus allowing Avro Canada to entice the Indian Air Force with the Arrow and the Flechette.
If the TSR-2 can be converted to long-legged bombtruck mode and not just A-Bomb delivery, then I would keep it. Mind, this would be a good spot for Canada to get into, and you could use a smaller RAF TSR-2 order and refurbishing their V-Bomber fleet (Vulcans as backup to the TSR-2, Victors as British B-52s) and selling the TSR-2 to interested Commonwealth / outside parties (read: India/Iran/Israel/South Africa/Turkey) to allow it to work.
Ming777 said:And, yes, the Luftwaffe is now awaiting their first deliveries of their new fighter-interceptors...
No F-104G would probably rehabilitate the Starfighter in the eyes of a lot of people, as you'd get far fewer accidents (thus it gets much less of a reputation as a widowmaker) and it wouldn't be as tarred by the bribery scandals.
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The Arrow would be a big prestige item for the Indians (and a useful counter to Pakistani F-104s), but the Flechette would be much more useful to the 1960s era Indian Air Force. I can see Flechettes doing all kinds of jobs, while Indian F-104s run air superiority, interceptor and bomber escort missions. Canada and India have a good relationship IOTL as well and the two about this time will be working on Indian CANDUs, so this is logical. Replacing the MiG-21 with the Flechette would be a HUGE coup for Canada and indeed much of the West.
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Well for the Starfighter, there will be ruckus.... The Germans already had used them for a while but after way too many crashes they went Canadian. The Belgians, Dutch, Italy, and Turkey still have their Lawn Darts, and one Minoru Genda may reveal that he had been offered bribes by Lockheed though he was too Impressed by the Canadians to not do so.
I might have the scandal blow up after Lockheed tries to sue Avro Canada over "unfair practices" and Canadian officials and others leak out records of Lockheed attempts at bribery.
On the Indian Front, I was thinking the Indians might also ask Canada for help in making a small carrier to use Sea Flechettes and ASW helicopters, and thus allow them to control the Indian Ocean and more importantly counter Pakistan's navy. It could all be tied into a gigantic Canada-Indian trade package?
I might have the scandal blow up after Lockheed tries to sue Avro Canada over "unfair practices" and Canadian officials and others leak out records of Lockheed attempts at bribery.
On the Indian Front, I was thinking the Indians might also ask Canada for help in making a small carrier to use Sea Flechettes and ASW helicopters, and thus allow them to control the Indian Ocean and more importantly counter Pakistan's navy. It could all be tied into a gigantic Canada-Indian trade package?
A bit of a bump, but what is the helicopter section of the CF like? Is Canada going to get any attack helicopters for instance?
Actually, considering the time frame wouldn't it look more like a cross between the CL-84 and the OV-10 Bronco? Grant you, it would be the production version and not the original (which was going to be equipped with a 106mm self-reloading recoilless rifle as it's main gun).
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It was thinking by the early 70s the attack version of the CL-84 would be built, with the CRV7 being one of its intended weapons. I am debating either the recoilless rifle, or the Canadians getting involved in the development of the GAU-8 Avenger cannon, with a compact 3-barrel variant for Canadian usage.
Wouldn't the variant be based on the GAU-13? That is the four barrelled variant of the Avenger after all and saw some use as a gunpod for various aircraft.
That could work, it could also give them an in with the development of the GAU-12 as it uses technology based on the GAU-13.
Another possibility for a gunship might be Canada taking the CH-135 and creating a gunship variant based off the modifications that the US made to it in Vietnam (minguns/grenade launchers and rocket pods). Especially as the CH-135 was developed and financed by Canada in the first place.
I know this threat has been quite silent this past years, but I would like to know if there it's more to learn and read.
This is quite a really interesting interpretation of how the world would have changed with the presence of so beutiful yet impressive aircraft.
I hope we can see more of this threat in the future, there it's potential here after all.
Greetings from Chile.
This is quite a really interesting interpretation of how the world would have changed with the presence of so beutiful yet impressive aircraft.
I hope we can see more of this threat in the future, there it's potential here after all.
Greetings from Chile.
You sir have, maybe, revived a 'silent' thread. Congratulations.
This topic was really interesting! I want it back!
This topic was really interesting! I want it back!
You INTENTIONALLY necro'd a two year old thread. You had to manually over ride a warning to do so.
NEVER do this again.
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