William IV of Britain's daughter Elizabeth survives.

I'm struggling to figure out the mechanics of the Battles of Southampton and the Solent.

Military history is not my strong point.
 
Yup - minimal land battle at Southampton but they're beaten back, by that time the Navy has been mobilised and there's a battle in the Solent leading to the troops from France and Modena retreating to and occupying Jersey.
 
Yup - minimal land battle at Southampton but they're beaten back, by that time the Navy has been mobilised and there's a battle in the Solent leading to the troops from France and Modena retreating to and occupying Jersey.

I agree, by which point the British government under Peel would likely be considering their next move. Then perhaps a navy manuvere which drives the enemy out of Jersey.

Would there be reprecussions for France?
 
Query, with our POD being in 1817, is there a chance we could have Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn have a son to inherit Hanover?
 
Why not swap out Victoria for George, and have him marry Alexander's sister?

Hmm that is a possibility, though exploring the relationship between the two female cousins is also quite interesting and seeing Victoria as the Grandmother of Europe through her children with Alexander II woulde be quite fascinating
 
Wasn't Charles X's son also reactionary? I don't see him lasting long on the throne unless there's an event that loosens him up.

From what I’ve read he was the most liberal out of the lot of them

The point is what son? He had two: the older (Duke of Angouleme/Dauphin/"Louis XIX") was married to his cousin Marie Therese Charlotte of France (Madame Royale/Duchesse of Angouleme/Dauphine, the only surviving child of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette) and they were both quite reactionary, specially in the years of the exile, but were childless. The younger, the Duke of Berry was surely the most liberal member of the family but was killed well before the death of his uncle Louis XVIII and he was married to Marie Caroline of Two Sicilies (Duchesse of Berry/Madame Royale, the eldest daughter of Francis I and only surviving child from his first wife Archduchess Marie Clementine of Austria) who also was quite liberal... They OTL had only two children a daughter and a son but Caroline's first two pregnancies ended in stillbirth/miscarriages and the son was born after his father's death (and she had five or six children from her second husband who she married after more than ten years of widowhood) so her first pregnancy was in 1816/17 (just after the wedding) and the last in 1839/40 so with a surving Charles Ferdinand we can have a very big French Royal family
 
The point is what son? He had two: the older (Duke of Angouleme/Dauphin/"Louis XIX") was married to his cousin Marie Therese Charlotte of France (Madame Royale/Duchesse of Angouleme/Dauphine, the only surviving child of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette) and they were both quite reactionary, specially in the years of the exile, but were childless. The younger, the Duke of Berry was surely the most liberal member of the family but was killed well before the death of his uncle Louis XVIII and he was married to Marie Caroline of Two Sicilies (Duchesse of Berry/Madame Royale, the eldest daughter of Francis I and only surviving child from his first wife Archduchess Marie Clementine of Austria) who also was quite liberal... They OTL had only two children a daughter and a son but Caroline's first two pregnancies ended in stillbirth/miscarriages and the son was born after his father's death (and she had five or six children from her second husband who she married after more than ten years of widowhood) so her first pregnancy was in 1816/17 (just after the wedding) and the last in 1839/40 so with a surving Charles Ferdinand we can have a very big French Royal family

I think a surviving Charles Ferdinand is the best bet, as it keeps the royal family there and together, and ensures that a liberal succeeds. I've read that Louis was reasonably liberal when he was back in France?
 
So, would one advise that Charles Ferdinand, Duc de Berry survive, and have more than the two kids he did otl? Perhaps succeeding his brother as King in 1844?
 
Nope, her parents chose it because they liked the name. The Dutch royal house uses that excuse more. It is said Queen Wilhelmina chose Juliana for her only child because she saw the name in a street (yet very conveniently William the Silent's mom is called Juliana). Willem-Alexander because they liked the Alexander bit (yet very conveniently the last male Prince of Orange who died in 1884 was called Alexander (tragic life he had, look him up)). Catharina-Amalia because they liked the names (yet very conveniently Catharina the Great is family due to Anna Paulowna and Amalia is the name of the wife of Prince Frederik Hendrik, under whose leadership the Dutch republic prospered and he elevated the status of the House of Orange to monarchial levels). Beatrix is the really unknown unknown name.
I was unaware of that. Thank you.
So here’s what I’m thinking for Liz personality wise, very reserved, very hard working.

For her husband Henry, cheeky, confident and out going and determined
I could see that.
Would it though? If they're only providing funding for the rebellion, not actually committing any men
We're what, twenty years removed from Napoleon and just on the cusp of a series of revolutions sweeping the Continent?

I find the idea of the landing at Southampton and occupation of Jersey less than plausible without significant French or other foreign backing.
 
I was unaware of that. Thank you.

I could see that.

We're what, twenty years removed from Napoleon and just on the cusp of a series of revolutions sweeping the Continent?

I find the idea of the landing at Southampton and occupation of Jersey less than plausible without significant French or other foreign backing.
This is true, would the Austrians support it given Modena is ruled by a Habsburg?
 
Due to it not being in their strategic interests? So, who is more likely to finance this, and what would cause Modena to be interested in Britain
Correct. France or Spain might be the most likely to finance this, but even they really are not in position to do so. Modena has too many problems to be worried about Britain.
 
Correct. France or Spain might be the most likely to finance this, but even they really are not in position to do so. Modena has too many problems to be worried about Britain.

This is very true, so the plausibility is minimal then? What could replace this? I'd like to have some sort of military action in the 1840s to test Liz II and her husband.
 
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