William IV of Britain's daughter Elizabeth survives.

I'd imagine naval battle in the Solent leads to the attempt to land troops at Southampton and Portsmouth. Portsmouth fails outright, Southampton succeeds to a limited extent but they fall back and retreats to the Channel Islands which they manage to hold with their combined French and mercenary fleet.

As a side note, how about marrying William to one of the legitimized Sussex line?

Alright interesting, the King Consort will win the day I thinkj at Portsmouth and later on driving them from the Channel. And as in the Prince of Wales to a granddaughter of the Duke of Sussex? Is that the smart option? Given this was still the age of political alliances

The line of succession c. 1855 ...

-- Elizabeth II
--- William, Prince of Wales
--- Frederick, Duke of York and Albany
--- George, Duke of Clarence and St Andrews
--- Georgiana, Princess Royal
--- Adelaide
-- Alexandrina of Kent
-- George, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale
--- Ernest Augustus
--- Frederica
--- Marie
-- Augusta, Baroness Truro*

*- assuming we still legitimise the Sussex children

Looking good, Drina to Tsar Alexander II?
 
Just to confirm, a last Jacobite attempt by the Duke of Modena is realistic, if the French-either the Bourbons or Orleans- feel like it would suit their interests?
 
In this vein could we see the rebirth of the name Henry over the name George? Edward also getting a swing in there, alonngside edmund?
I agree with what's been said about William, Edward, or Arthur being likelier.
This is true, though if there's like a Tudor revival as Wendell suggest perhaps it could be a thing? Of course seeing Liz adopt some of her ancestors mannerism?
The Stuarts are toast, and the Jacobite succession gets odd in this era.
This is true, I suppose she could fuse styles together
Indeed. No revival is ever exact, and there may be other past glories enmeshed in the national zeitgeist.
Bear in mind the last time that one of the Jacobites claimed the throne was before Lizzie was even born - with the death of Henry IX in 1807.

When the Jacobite succession passes to Charles IV in 1807, he didn't even include the flags of England and Scotland in his coat of arms and by the time Lizzie ascends the throne in 1837, it's his niece (following his brothers time as heir), Mary who is the Jacobite claimant.

I think upsetting the Jacobites by going for a Tudor revival might not be something they would even worry about.

And even if it does antagonize the Jacobites, it allows us some developments on the international stage - with perhaps Mary's son, Francis, being the one to try and marshall support from the Bavarians (via his father in law, the King of Bavaria) and attempting some sort of invasion - perhaps even so far as occupying the Channel Islands and proclaiming himself King of the Channel.
Even that seems excessive for a last hurrah of the Jacobites. Maybe a landing is attempted somewhere, but it will be repulsed.

So - if I'm understanding it correctly ...

A) Lizzie marries the Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh (b.1817), her cousin
B) Victoria marries a foreign Prince (poss. Grand Duke Alexander of Russia)
C) Francis I, the Jacobite claimant to the throne funds an invasion with the backing of France (Louis-Phillipe) and Bavaria (his father-in-law) as aggravated by the popularism of the Tudor Revival (following the Stuart Interregnum) - he makes it to the South Coast, but beaten back and retreats but manages to hold the Channel Islands ...
D) Lizzie and the Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh have several children (upward of three - Henry, Margaret, Mary and Arthur 're the "Tudor Revival")
Well, any attempted Bavarian incursion will be repulsed, but striking at Ireland makes more sense than Jersey or Guernsey.
1839 seems decent, and this is true perhaps after some time meeting both the Dutch prince and Henry- who she’d have grown up with- she decides for Henry, the dashing military man.

So perhaps something like

William, prince of Wales b 1841
Georgiana born 1843
Frederick born 1846
Adelaide born 1850
George born 1855
Why not Beatrice?
Alright interesting, the King Consort will win the day I thinkj at Portsmouth and later on driving them from the Channel. And as in the Prince of Wales to a granddaughter of the Duke of Sussex? Is that the smart option? Given this was still the age of political alliances



Looking good, Drina to Tsar Alexander II?
A foreign match seems likely. Bavarian match?
Lol, I was more meaning Liz II
Fair enough.
 
I agree with what's been said about William, Edward, or Arthur being likelier.

The Stuarts are toast, and the Jacobite succession gets odd in this era.

Indeed. No revival is ever exact, and there may be other past glories enmeshed in the national zeitgeist.

Even that seems excessive for a last hurrah of the Jacobites. Maybe a landing is attempted somewhere, but it will be repulsed.


Well, any attempted Bavarian incursion will be repulsed, but striking at Ireland makes more sense than Jersey or Guernsey.

Why not Beatrice?

A foreign match seems likely. Bavarian match?

Fair enough.

Very true rew the Stuart and the names, a landing and a repulsation agreed. Where would the inspiration for Beatrice come from?

Bavaria is Catholic though which means that they might be excluded due to Act of Settlement and Bill of Rights
 
Very true rew the Stuart and the names, a landing and a repulsation agreed. Where would the inspiration for Beatrice come from?

Bavaria is Catholic though which means that they might be excluded due to Act of Settlement and Bill of Rights
The Dutch. Wasn't it a common name of Dutch princesses? I might be wrong.
 
True enough. Also, at this point could we see the Monarch dismiss ministers or keep the PM without them having majority support in the Commons
I'm not sure. Maybe. Does Lizzy stay popular? With the ruling class? The masses? both?
 
Back to Francis attempting to invade....Spanish armada parallels get drawn as part of the #TudorRevival narrative?
 
The Dutch. Wasn't it a common name of Dutch princesses? I might be wrong.
Nope, her parents chose it because they liked the name. The Dutch royal house uses that excuse more. It is said Queen Wilhelmina chose Juliana for her only child because she saw the name in a street (yet very conveniently William the Silent's mom is called Juliana). Willem-Alexander because they liked the Alexander bit (yet very conveniently the last male Prince of Orange who died in 1884 was called Alexander (tragic life he had, look him up)). Catharina-Amalia because they liked the names (yet very conveniently Catharina the Great is family due to Anna Paulowna and Amalia is the name of the wife of Prince Frederik Hendrik, under whose leadership the Dutch republic prospered and he elevated the status of the House of Orange to monarchial levels). Beatrix is the really unknown unknown name.
 
So here’s what I’m thinking for Liz personality wise, very reserved, very hard working.

For her husband Henry, cheeky, confident and out going and determined
 
Thanks :)

Also, I'm thinking that for this, it's the Bourbons who remain on the throne, through Charles X dying before Louis XVIII



Wasn't Charles X's son also reactionary? I don't see him lasting long on the throne unless there's an event that loosens him up.
 
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