William IV of Britain's daughter Elizabeth survives.

In this vein could we see the rebirth of the name Henry over the name George? Edward also getting a swing in there, alonngside edmund?
 
In this vein could we see the rebirth of the name Henry over the name George? Edward also getting a swing in there, alonngside edmund?
I personally doubt it, if there's no where for to emerge from, it simply wont. The only reason we had Edward VII and VIII was for Victorias father.
William however would likely have a large number of kings from hence, especially if she married her Gloucester cousin who would be a William.
 
I personally doubt it, if there's no where for to emerge from, it simply wont. The only reason we had Edward VII and VIII was for Victorias father.
William however would likely have a large number of kings from hence, especially if she married her Gloucester cousin who would be a William.
This is true, though if there's like a Tudor revival as Wendell suggest perhaps it could be a thing? Of course seeing Liz adopt some of her ancestors mannerism?
 
This is true, though if there's like a Tudor revival as Wendell suggest perhaps it could be a thing? Of course seeing Liz adopt some of her ancestors mannerism?
Supporting the 'Tudor Revival' may antagonize the Jacobites, and their support for the "King over the Water" which Government will try to avoid, so she may go for it, but it's likely not.

So - do we go fictional Gloucester or legitimized Sussex grandchild?
I think a Gloucester option is a good one.
 
Supporting the 'Tudor Revival' may antagonize the Jacobites, and their support for the "King over the Water" which Government will try to avoid, so she may go for it, but it's likely not.


I think a Gloucester option is a good one.
This is true, I suppose she could fuse styles together
 
Bear in mind the last time that one of the Jacobites claimed the throne was before Lizzie was even born - with the death of Henry IX in 1807.

When the Jacobite succession passes to Charles IV in 1807, he didn't even include the flags of England and Scotland in his coat of arms and by the time Lizzie ascends the throne in 1837, it's his niece (following his brothers time as heir), Mary who is the Jacobite claimant.

I think upsetting the Jacobites by going for a Tudor revival might not be something they would even worry about.

And even if it does antagonize the Jacobites, it allows us some developments on the international stage - with perhaps Mary's son, Francis, being the one to try and marshall support from the Bavarians (via his father in law, the King of Bavaria) and attempting some sort of invasion - perhaps even so far as occupying the Channel Islands and proclaiming himself King of the Channel.
 
This is true, I suppose she could fuse styles together
True, but I imagine William will be the major name used.

Bear in mind the last time that one of the Jacobites claimed the throne was before Lizzie was even born - with the death of Henry IX in 1807.

When the Jacobite succession passes to Charles IV in 1807, he didn't even include the flags of England and Scotland in his coat of arms and by the time Lizzie ascends the throne in 1837, it's his niece (following his brothers time as heir), Mary who is the Jacobite claimant.

I think upsetting the Jacobites by going for a Tudor revival might not be something they would even worry about.

And even if it does antagonize the Jacobites, it allows us some developments on the international stage - with perhaps Mary's son, Francis, being the one to try and marshall support from the Bavarians (via his father in law, the King of Bavaria) and attempting some sort of invasion - perhaps even so far as occupying the Channel Islands and proclaiming himself King of the Channel.
All good points, but I imagine the Jacobite supporters will find it antagonistic enough. ;) remember Supporters are still around today, and the last major group ended just around WW1.

I'm loving the Idea of an Italian Prince leading a hodge-podge force of mercenaries and pirates, capturing Jersey, and naming himself Francis I of England, Scotland, and Ireland :p however brief! It's not likely that the miniature state would last long with the British Navy existing. It's likely Francis would drop such pretensions and flee back to Modena.
 
If he timed it right, could he have gotten Louis-Phillipe on side for such a maneuvere?

LP reigned 30 to 48, and Francis was the Jacobite heir from 40 - so it would have been Lizzies first major test.
 
True, but I imagine William will be the major name used.


All good points, but I imagine the Jacobite supporters will find it antagonistic enough. ;) remember Supporters are still around today, and the last major group ended just around WW1.

I'm loving the Idea of an Italian Prince leading a hodge-podge force of mercenaries and pirates, capturing Jersey, and naming himself Francis I of England, Scotland, and Ireland :p however brief! It's not likely that the miniature state would last long with the British Navy existing. It's likely Francis would drop such pretensions and flee back to Modena.
Agreed re William, and lol re the Jacobite thing that's be hilarious.

So does anyone want to do the coin toss or shall I? Also was there a thing against royals serving in government at this point?
 
Agreed re William, and lol re the Jacobite thing that's be hilarious.

So does anyone want to do the coin toss or shall I? Also was there a thing against royals serving in government at this point?
If we're doing the "Jersey Monarchy" then I'd say 1841, as it allows our boy Frankie to gather funds and troops. The last Jacobite uprising!

I'd say Gloucester :)
And yes, they could sit in the House of Lords.
 
If we're doing the "Jersey Monarchy" then I'd say 1841, as it allows our boy Frankie to gather funds and troops. The last Jacobite uprising!

I'd say Gloucester :)
And yes, they could sit in the House of Lords.

Oh now that could be something I suspect it would be a very merc heavy army.

I think the Duke of Cumberland sat in the House of Lords on occasion but it was unusual.
Interesting seeing them vote a bit more would be good.
 
So - if I'm understanding it correctly ...

A) Lizzie marries the Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh (b.1817), her cousin
B) Victoria marries a foreign Prince (poss. Grand Duke Alexander of Russia)
C) Francis I, the Jacobite claimant to the throne funds an invasion with the backing of France (Louis-Phillipe) and Bavaria (his father-in-law) as aggravated by the popularism of the Tudor Revival (following the Stuart Interregnum) - he makes it to the South Coast, but beaten back and retreats but manages to hold the Channel Islands ...
D) Lizzie and the Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh have several children (upward of three - Henry, Margaret, Mary and Arthur 're the "Tudor Revival")
 
So - if I'm understanding it correctly ...

A) Lizzie marries the Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh (b.1817), her cousin
B) Victoria marries a foreign Prince (poss. Grand Duke Alexander of Russia)
C) Francis I, the Jacobite claimant to the throne funds an invasion with the backing of France (Louis-Phillipe) and Bavaria (his father-in-law) as aggravated by the popularism of the Tudor Revival (following the Stuart Interregnum) - he makes it to the South Coast, but beaten back and retreats but manages to hold the Channel Islands ...
D) Lizzie and the Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh have several children (upward of three - Henry, Margaret, Mary and Arthur 're the "Tudor Revival")
Yes, though Henry might be a William
 
So - if I'm understanding it correctly ...

A) Lizzie marries the Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh (b.1817), her cousin
B) Victoria marries a foreign Prince (poss. Grand Duke Alexander of Russia)
C) Francis I, the Jacobite claimant to the throne funds an invasion with the backing of France (Louis-Phillipe) and Bavaria (his father-in-law) as aggravated by the popularism of the Tudor Revival (following the Stuart Interregnum) - he makes it to the South Coast, but beaten back and retreats but manages to hold the Channel Islands ...
D) Lizzie and the Duke of Gloucester and Edinburgh have several children (upward of three - Henry, Margaret, Mary and Arthur 're the "Tudor Revival")
Pretty much agreed except the names of the kids. I think more Hanoverian names will be used, likely William, Frederick, and maybe Augusta?
 
I suspect Georgiana for an alternative daughters name - William and Adelaide wanted to name Elizabeth as Georgiana Elizabeth, but George IV wouldn't allow it and they simply swapped the names round.

Lets say the Duke of Gloucester is a Henry (from his father's William Henry) then...

William, Prince of Wales (after both grandfathers)
Georgiana, Princess Royal (after her great grandfather, and Elizabeth's original name)
Frederick, Duke of York & Teviotdale

As seemed to he the trend - if we use double naming for the boys William Augustus and Frederick Henry?

*note that BOTH grandfathers had the same name: William Henry so using Henry wouldn't be too much of a stretch
 
I suspect Georgiana for an alternative daughters name - William and Adelaide wanted to name Elizabeth as Georgiana Elizabeth, but George IV wouldn't allow it and they simply swapped the names round.

Lets say the Duke of Gloucester is a Henry (from his father's William Henry) then...

William, Prince of Wales (after both grandfathers)
Georgiana, Princess Royal (after her great grandfather, and Elizabeth's original name)
Frederick, Duke of York & Teviotdale

As seemed to he the trend - if we use double naming for the boys William Augustus and Frederick Henry?

*note that BOTH grandfathers had the same name: William Henry so using Henry wouldn't be too much of a stretch
I like it, for Fred, his uncles title is available so he’d be duke of York and Albany, I can see him definitely entering the military on his fathers demand. William would likely spend some time there as well.

Is Liz living till about 1890 realistic?
 
I had the Lizzie in my own version of this timeline live till 1892 based on the ages of her predecessors when they died.
 
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